Zaharakis....dont like the sound of this knee tendinitis
Zaharakis played every game last year despite knee tendinitis which left him unable to run for three days after each match day. The injury has also affected his pre-season. He spent most of November lifting weights, and only hit the track to test out his knee in December. Even with the rehab-focused running, he pronounced himself sorer than he had been in any of his previous three years at the club. With Hocking and Watson both back on the park, Dream Team coaches will also need to consider whether Zaharakis is likely to spend as much time in the middle as he did in the back half of 2011.
http://www.bigpondsport.com/dream-team-builder-david-zaharakis/tabid/91/newsid/82816/default.aspx
:o Stop the bus , I'm getting off!!! No not yet but I'll want to see and hear a lot more now for a player that was a lock to hold his place, tragic, but someone did tell me so several times on this site.....
Quote from: Colliwobblers on January 15, 2012, 05:26:58 PM
:o Stop he bus , I'm getting off!!! No not yet but I'll want to see and hear a lot more now for a player that was a lock to hold his place, tragic, but someone did tell me so several times on this site.....
I cant believe i didnt know anything about this ...didnt have him last year but still im a bombers supporter you would think i would know something like that :o
Whats annoying about the article is they talk him up so well and then they finish it off with that...its like giving a little kid an icecream and then slapping it out of his hand and rubbing it into the dirt :(
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 15, 2012, 05:38:11 PM
Whats annoying about the article is they talk him up so well and then they finish it off with that...its like giving a little kid an icecream and then slapping it out of his hand and rubbing it into the dirt :(
LMFAO!! But now ive finshed imagening rubbing the ice cream into the dirt im back to what the hell to do with zaka now :-\ . He played through it last year and no one could tell, but will it catch up to him eventually?? Does the last few lines over ride the whole article, damn this will be a hard one what are you guys thinking
they reckon the light pre-season will have done him the world of good and he will be right for the season opener, also didn't bother the coach having the others back still left zaka in the midfield.
Unless I hear he is sketchy for the season and has to be nursed I'll be on him, He is young and fit and has bulked up so he should be better than last year by all reports and by all expectations, i just dont see a better option at his price.
Having Struggled myself with Knee "tendinopathy" (Tendinitis does not exist anymore you would think the idiot who wrote the article would know that but anyway...)
There is no way I would pick him, lost some pace and particularly endurance from it and it does not go away unless you have complete rest.
He can play through it but he will be open to further injury. personally Im off the band wagon now if he still is having issues at present
I'm Essendon thru and thru and watched every game last year closely. I didn't admit it then and I hate to admit it now , but Zaka, well, he's just not the whole enchilada. Something was wrong. He's missing that little bit of quickness and his finishing often lets him down. I wouldn't take a chance on him this year.
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 15, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
Having Struggled myself with Knee "tendinopathy" (Tendinitis does not exist anymore you would think the idiot who wrote the article would know that but anyway...)
There is no way I would pick him, lost some pace and particularly endurance from it and it does not go away unless you have complete rest.
He can play through it but he will be open to further injury. personally Im off the band wagon now if he still is having issues at present
Maybe Dr Dreamteam wrote it ;D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinitis
It didnt seem to slow him down through out the season, he averaged 77.6 in the first half of season and 101.5 in the second.
When Watson was out of the team for a total of 7 rounds he averaged 83 and when hocking was out for 4 rounds he averaged 81. He only toned it up twice with watson out and once with hocking out but had 9 tons through out the year. Finishing the season with a average of 89.6 it shows he scored better with them both in the team feeding the ball out to him (hope that makes sence) :P
For now I am going to stick with him as this shows he can rack up points with watson and hocking in the team and he can handle a full season with the knee problems, I also dont see any other options around his price range i want.
Robinson, Sidebottom, Martin
to name a couple of generic players around his price range that are legit options in the forward line
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
Robinson, Sidebottom, Martin
to name a couple of generic players around his price range that are legit options in the forward line
Yeah I have martin and sidebottom and only 7,700 in the bank
fwds franklin, martin, zaka, sidey, brown,rooks
I reckon robinson is more injury proned then zaka, he just goes head first :P so wont be gettin him
Not that big of a deal. Plenty of other options.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinitis
Lol, trust me it's better described as opathy then itis. I'm in the field well aware of what tendinitis means. But it is no longer valid
Quote from: FOOTBALL FACTORY on January 15, 2012, 06:59:25 PM
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 15, 2012, 06:27:36 PM
Having Struggled myself with Knee "tendinopathy" (Tendinitis does not exist anymore you would think the idiot who wrote the article would know that but anyway...)
There is no way I would pick him, lost some pace and particularly endurance from it and it does not go away unless you have complete rest.
He can play through it but he will be open to further injury. personally Im off the band wagon now if he still is having issues at present
Maybe Dr Dreamteam wrote it ;D
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LMAO probably
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 15, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinitis
Lol, trust me it's better described as opathy then itis. I'm in the field well aware of what tendinitis means. But it is no longer valid
-opathy indicates there is some form of pathology. Tendinitis or tendinosis is more specific about what exactly is wrong.
well that has just fixed dilemma Zaha out, Sidebottom in.
i would like to see another source of this knee problem before i commit to it.
Zaha Knee History (quick search)
2010
http://www.essendonfc.com.au/news/a/Zaharakis-sidelined-with-knee-injury/7726
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/100342/default.aspx
2011
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-bomber-david-zaharakis-wants-to-improve-on-best-season/story-e6frf9jf-1226205426469
Its just like when they use the term bone brusing. You can't bruse a bone.
Zaharakis has shown that he's under-priced (can average 100+ if played in the midfield), so I'll probably take the risk.
Quote from: Fenno on January 16, 2012, 12:31:44 AM
Its just like when they use the term bone brusing. You can't bruse a bone.
Wrong.
Do your homework
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on January 15, 2012, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 15, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinitis
Lol, trust me it's better described as opathy then itis. I'm in the field well aware of what tendinitis means. But it is no longer valid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendinitis
The day when someone is more correct the Wikipedia is the day when the internet no longer exisits
Quote from: DT Gun on January 16, 2012, 02:51:28 AM
Quote from: Fenno on January 16, 2012, 12:31:44 AM
Its just like when they use the term bone brusing. You can't bruse a bone.
Wrong.
Do your homework
Troll cleanup in aisle 3
Bone bruise's are burst capillaries. So it causes bleeding between the membrane and and the actual bone. Cells are crushed, which expel blood.
My mum's a ex nurse.
probably going to jump off now for delicious rioli or sidey
Bone bruising like many other words in english is just a term. It doesn't have to be literal
Butterfly? Jellyfish? anyone?
Quote from: Windigo on January 16, 2012, 10:28:08 AM
Bone bruise's are burst capillaries. So it causes bleeding between the membrane and and the actual bone. Cells are crushed, which expel blood.
My mum's a ex nurse.
So your mums an ex bum wiper. My mrs is a Physio so im sorry but there is no such thing
that's really harsh- nurses do substantially more than just bum wiping, and are a really necessary part of our health system. Whilst physios are really quite important for rehabilitation, nurses play a far more crucial role in society overall.
That was basically an unnecessary comment Fenno, you don't need to be a dick about everything.
That being said, while there was no wikipedia article on bone bruising, on bruising in general
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruise
'Bruises can involve capillaries at the level of skin, subcutaneous tissue, muscle, or bone'
Wikipedia wins again.
Quote from: Fenno on January 17, 2012, 04:52:13 PM
Quote from: Windigo on January 16, 2012, 10:28:08 AM
Bone bruise's are burst capillaries. So it causes bleeding between the membrane and and the actual bone. Cells are crushed, which expel blood.
My mum's a ex nurse.
So your mums an ex bum wiper. My mrs is a Physio so im sorry but there is no such thing
Whatever mate. An ordinary bruise develops when blood oozes from burst cells. That's why bruises appear darkish in color on the surface because of the fluid (blood) from the cells.
@ Ziplock. Thanks mate. I wasn't gunna say anything about the comment.
ok was a bit harsh I know many nurses and I refer to them the same way as a joke. Also Wikipedia is a joke when it comes to information and should never ever be a source. My mrs is a fully qualified physio working in a hospital so I would follow what she says over what Wikipedia says.
I am also sorry to say Nurses have nothing to do with rehab. Thats the physios job. Nurses are there to do the jobs the doctors don't want to do.
On a brighter note. You coming back for 2012 champs league FeNOor FenYES.
Im a yes
Quote from: Fenno on January 17, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
I am also sorry to say Nurses have nothing to do with rehab. Thats the physios job. Nurses are there to do the jobs the doctors don't want to do.
I know, I said that, if you read my post a little more carefully :P
You are correct but. You also wrong in saying Nurses are more important overall because they are not. A Doctor can do everything a nurse can do but a Doctor can't do what a Physio can do. So You can't say a Nurse is more important.
I'm saying nurses are more important because doctors won't do nurses jobs.
Physios are really important, but as it stands now, if all physios were to quit their jobs now, society would survive without huge repercussions.
If all nurses were to quit their job now however, we would have a completely different social catastrophe.
Physios are paid more than nurses for a reason because they are more important, You have to get basicly the same score to get into Physio as Medicine because it is a skilled field that you don't want any half brain doing. If all the nurses quit the doctors could do what the nurses were doing even though they don't want to. But if all the physios were to quit there would be nobody able to do their job.
You do know there are many types of physio not just rehab and sports don't you?
no, there wouldn't be physically enough doctors to do nurses jobs.
here's what would happen if nurses quit
1) there would not be enough doctors to initially cover the workload, the hospitals would be severely understaffed (to almost unimaginable means), many people would not receive adequate treatment when hospitalised, would have slower responses to influxes of patients, and a lot of people would die
2) in order to get more doctors to come into the workforce, the atar requirement would need to be lowered significantly, and probably the time spent training and at uni, or it would be 8 years with the above health care situation
3) the number of doctors would ,eventually, be equal to the number of nurses originally working. However, hospitals couldn't afford to pay that many doctors (since a doctors average wage is substantially higher than a nurses). There are two possibilities here- a) either there would be more cost to the government and public for health care (and a lot more, keep in mind the number of nurses relative to doctors), or more likely b) the wage of doctors would be decreased substantially.
in this case we have two scenarios occurring.
4a) two possibilities, either the governments starts forking out a lot of money, gained by substantially raising money, or our social public healthcare benefits decrease, and people have to pay privately for treatment. In either scenario Australians lose substantial amount of money, and lower the quality of their life- in the second scenario, there are even more extreme cases as the lower income earners will not be able to afford health care.
4b) Wages are decreased. The minimum requirement to become a doctor has already been decreased substantially (let's say from something like 99+ at universities such as Melbourne, Sydney, ANU, UNSW to something like low 90s), but these marks are still quite high- with lower wages, medicine becomes a far less attractive option to many people, who can by this time, probably earn more money in careers such as engineering. So in order to keep the flow of doctors coming in to man our hospital staff, one again the minimum requirements for becoming a doctor are decreased again, probably to a HSC score around low 80s, to maintain the number necessary. By this point, we have doctors who have comparatively substandard intelligence who hold our general publics safety and well being in their hands.
Doctors in some form or another, have been around for millennia. Proper physio on the otherhand, was only first documented in the 1800s. Ironically in this discussion, the 4 founder of physio in britain were actually nurses :P
Don't get me wrong, physiotherapy is really important, can be used in a lot of different areas, from hearts to feet (although, you may correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think the most common would be those dealing with rehab and sporting injuries). Fact is though, people survived for thousands of years without it, in some circumstances in comfortable living eras. If every physio were to quit, if it came down to it, doctors and the like could take over their job, you would have a relatively similar situation to the one ascribed above, but to a far lesser degree.
Hopefully though, we'll never see a world where either nurses or physio simultaneously quit, or we would be in real trouble
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2012, 07:39:58 PM
no, there wouldn't be physically enough doctors to do nurses jobs.
here's what would happen if nurses quit
1) there would not be enough doctors to initially cover the workload, the hospitals would be severely understaffed (to almost unimaginable means), many people would not receive adequate treatment when hospitalised, would have slower responses to influxes of patients, and a lot of people would die
2) in order to get more doctors to come into the workforce, the atar requirement would need to be lowered significantly, and probably the time spent training and at uni, or it would be 8 years with the above health care situation
3) the number of doctors would ,eventually, be equal to the number of nurses originally working. However, hospitals couldn't afford to pay that many doctors (since a doctors average wage is substantially higher than a nurses). There are two possibilities here- a) either there would be more cost to the government and public for health care (and a lot more, keep in mind the number of nurses relative to doctors), or more likely b) the wage of doctors would be decreased substantially.
in this case we have two scenarios occurring.
4a) two possibilities, either the governments starts forking out a lot of money, gained by substantially raising money, or our social public healthcare benefits decrease, and people have to pay privately for treatment. In either scenario Australians lose substantial amount of money, and lower the quality of their life- in the second scenario, there are even more extreme cases as the lower income earners will not be able to afford health care.
4b) Wages are decreased. The minimum requirement to become a doctor has already been decreased substantially (let's say from something like 99+ at universities such as Melbourne, Sydney, ANU, UNSW to something like low 90s), but these marks are still quite high- with lower wages, medicine becomes a far less attractive option to many people, who can by this time, probably earn more money in careers such as engineering. So in order to keep the flow of doctors coming in to man our hospital staff, one again the minimum requirements for becoming a doctor are decreased again, probably to a HSC score around low 80s, to maintain the number necessary. By this point, we have doctors who have comparatively substandard intelligence who hold our general publics safety and well being in their hands.
Doctors in some form or another, have been around for millennia. Proper physio on the otherhand, was only first documented in the 1800s. Ironically in this discussion, the 4 founder of physio in britain were actually nurses :P
Don't get me wrong, physiotherapy is really important, can be used in a lot of different areas, from hearts to feet (although, you may correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think the most common would be those dealing with rehab and sporting injuries). Fact is though, people survived for thousands of years without it, in some circumstances in comfortable living eras. If every physio were to quit, if it came down to it, doctors and the like could take over their job, you would have a relatively similar situation to the one ascribed above, but to a far lesser degree.
Hopefully though, we'll never see a world where either nurses or physio simultaneously quit, or we would be in real trouble
Going to chime in with a pointless +1
1+ just for the effort ziplock, and i dont agree with a word Fenno said.
p.s I wish nurses knew who fenno was next time he went to hospital............
Physios? Nurses?
Apples & Oranges.
Physio's are great. Really helped me when I put "My Neck Out of Place."
Do we really need to argue. ;)
on the flip side, were not that helpful when I ripped the cartilage in my knees.
Quote from: Ziplock on January 17, 2012, 09:20:44 PM
on the flip side, were not that helpful when I ripped the cartilage in my knees.
I doubt many things are going to be helpful when you rip cartliage
but getting told to do squats certainly doesn't help :P
So you are having a huge rant because a physio didn't fix your problem?
and you are so wrong where you said that doctors could take over what a Physio does. My mrs sister is a doctor and when my mrs first started working in a hospital she said to her if a doctor tell you something physio related and you think something different trust your judgement because doctors really have no idea when it comes to something physio related. She also said unlike some doctors she makes friends with the nurses just so she doesn't have to do the crappy jobs herself
nope, I was having a huge rant for no reason tbh.
I didn't know Zaharakhis was a physio......
maybe we need a knew thread who would you pick nurse or physio ;D
8) I think nurses look cute in their uniforms
um.... yeahh
what happened to Zaharakis and fanfooty?
whats with the nurses and physios
we were arguing whether a condition was real or not, windigo said it was, cause his mums a nurse, fenno said it wasn't cause his mrs is a physio, and then he made an uncalled for comment about the validity of nurses (which he later apologised for).
ftr, never rated zaha this season, and this information just makes me warm inside that I was right, one way or another :P
Get on the Zaha train. Just been promoted to the leadership group and touted for more mids time. TOOT TOOT!!
Sounds promising... Quote
"Zaharakis has now joined his teammates for full pre-season training having shrugged off the knee tendinitis that bothered him throughout the 2011 season."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/essendons-david-zaharakis-a-rising-don-but-dont-mention-that-anzac-day-goal/story-e6frf9jf-1226213548242
The 21-year-old was given a bigger midfield role from early last season and he thrived on the responsibility, impressing with his poise, decision-making and ability to execute his skills in heavy traffic.
"When I first rocked up as an 18-year-old I didn't have the body and the fitness to go straight in there like some guys do. Guys like Dustin Martin already have the physique and fitness to do it, but for me it's taken a bit of time," Zaharakis said.
"I sort of took my opportunity and in the second half of the year I felt a lot more comfortable in there, especially when Jobe Watson and Heath Hocking came back from injury."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/young-bomber-david-zaharakis-wants-to-improve-on-best-season/story-e6frf9jf-1226205426469
its those knees that worry me, looks like he is bulking up on top well like heppell has, but the bottom half looks .... fragile?
(http://essendonfc.com.au/images/11/111213_gc-camp-d1-51.jpg)
(http://essendonfc.com.au/images/11/111213_gc-camp-d1-43.jpg)
(http://essendonfc.com.au/images/11/111109_train05.jpg)
still, 2nd and 3rd ones not so bad....?
That looks dodgy. ???
One of his assets is his pace bulking up in that area wouldnt help im thinking, not an expert here.... im on him again lol locked and loaded
he looks like he might go ooooooolright i dunno i might get back on tha zaaaka train yet......
Quote from: Fenno on January 17, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
ok was a bit harsh I know many nurses and I refer to them the same way as a joke. Also Wikipedia is a joke when it comes to information and should never ever be a source. My mrs is a fully qualified physio working in a hospital so I would follow what she says over what Wikipedia says.
I am also sorry to say Nurses have nothing to do with rehab. Thats the physios job. Nurses are there to do the jobs the doctors don't want to do.
Fenno i had a MRI scan and my SPECIALIST told me i had bone bruising.
Your Mrs is wrong, Windigo is spot on.
Dont currently have Zaha in my team. This makes me sleep easier.
Quote from: DT Gun on January 26, 2012, 03:05:07 AM
Quote from: Fenno on January 17, 2012, 05:20:21 PM
ok was a bit harsh I know many nurses and I refer to them the same way as a joke. Also Wikipedia is a joke when it comes to information and should never ever be a source. My mrs is a fully qualified physio working in a hospital so I would follow what she says over what Wikipedia says.
I am also sorry to say Nurses have nothing to do with rehab. Thats the physios job. Nurses are there to do the jobs the doctors don't want to do.
Fenno i had a MRI scan and my SPECIALIST told me i had bone bruising.
Your Mrs is wrong, Windigo is spot on.
Me >> I had a total Knee Replacement, Nurses did a fantastic job in the hospital in looking after myself as well as helping me with my movements & on getting movement around the ward during my stay. The physio also came by on the 2nd day & assisted on movement, walking, placing the steps for climbing etc, massage of knee, exercise etc. The Dr who performed this op encouraged both to assist me. On discharge I was told to go to the physio a Couple of times to get some exercises on Top of the ones the DR suggested me as well as the hospital physio. When I went back to the DR for Post Op visit he was happy & said that all is good & what I had done. I used my health fund & kept up extra Physio, as a lot of members here would remember that I was going to HK for a holiday last March.
Long story short in the end I believe they ALL did wonders for me, & secondly just went to the DR, & have been told come back in 15 years.http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,23274.0.html < If interested.
As for Zaha, just don't know, Has been in then out.
Quote from: Kuruki on January 26, 2012, 05:29:55 AM
Dont currently have Zaha in my team. This makes me sleep easier.
I was devasted when i read the news about his knee but i think i over reacted ... if you played all 22 games with it and this year you feel your knee is not a problem anymore then this means to me another season of 22 games.. ill take the "risk" im sleeping alot better knowing he is in my team. More midfield time and being added to the leadership group means a higher average to me. Plus he has added a few kilos of muscle always helps
"I sort of took my opportunity and in the second half of the year I felt a lot more comfortable in there, especially when Jobe Watson and Heath Hocking came back from injury." He averaged 101 from rounds 13-23
Lockity LOCK.