I've spent days going over the byes and for the life of me I can not figure out a way to avoid a couple of donuts?
Does anyone have a way to avoid them?
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If you want a hint monty has done an article on the front page of FF. In Bold under Bad Bye Buddy there is a link called 2012 bye strategy click on the link and read. Will not solve problems but will give you some ideas.
have set up a team in the SC Thread partly based on this strategy.
http://www.fanfooty.com.au/forum/index.php/topic,44626.0.html
Unfortunately the only way to do it given the spread of R/Fs in 2012 is if Scott Lycett plays in R12 and R13. Tough call to get him in your team. I'm afraid many people will be abandoning the R/F strategy in that article and just eating the two donuts. It's a shame.
Now the structural question is not about how to avoid donuts, but when to plan on eating them so as to minimise their harmful effects.
Monty you make an excellent point. I've been racking my brain for a way to avoid them but I always end up with 2 at some stage. I don't think you can decide on when to cop them until the actual season gets under way. I really think they could have put a little more thought on the bye rounds.
Any chance VS will change things before the start of the season, and start League games in Round 1 and shift the 2 league byes to, two out of the 3 weeks between Round 11-13???
The current structure just makes it silly rather than tactical :-\
i think they should give us rnd 11 and 13 off and we play round 12. that way we dont have to go three weeks with no fantasy footy and its easy to structure a team around only having to play rnd 12. two cents bang.
A donut cant be avoided. Due to the lack of dual rucks monty's solution wont work. Think AFL Dream Team didnt think very hard about the set up either. Matches should of been round 1-10 and 14-20 and Finals 21-24.
I think ill stack my side with players that have a bye in round 12. Any trades made in rounds 11-13 will be cashing up or upgrading to premos. My team atm is in the form of 7-16-7
TEAM NAME: owentest
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, B. Waters, B. Lake, M. Clarke, S. Docherty, B. Smedts (A. Browne, B. Ellis)
MID: D. Swan, S. Pendlebury, M. Barlow, J. Selwood, J. Watson, L. Hayes (J. O'Meara, T. Mitchell)
RUC: A. Sandilands, O. Stephenson (J. Giles, J. Redden)
FWD: N. Fyfe, D. Zaharakis, D. Martin, J. Winderlich, J. Porplyzia, J. Brown, S. Byrnes (T. Walsh, D. Zorko)
CASH LEFT: $92,500
COmputer says no!
It's good we have to play over multi-byes
Not a fan of those in support of playing 1 MB but not the other 2....
imagine what that'd do for teams, premos avoided from all the teams that round, 2012 DT = teams look even more alike than last year.
After quite some deliberation over the rules and byes and with playing league matches rounds 11-13 I have decided on this startegy.
Will set my Team up as 8/11/11. ie players from the teams that have the byes in each round. Ensure that all rookies I have listed are playing and this will be important to the number of trades.
No trades week 11
Week 12 Trade in 3 players to Team 11 from players listed in week 12 bye teams. Structure will then be 11/8/11
Week 13 Trade in 3 Players from week 13 bye players to week 12 Structure then 11/11/8
have used only 6 trades of the 24 allowed for season. And if trading diligently you can then maximise your team over the next couple of weeks.
This is the best i can come up with as bye strategy.
The problem I've had Ringo when I set up a team to the structures you talk about is that all of those 8 that you have out in round 13 are in the mids, backs and forwards, leaving you with 2 donuts.
Agree not easy. Forgot to mention Rucks are set up to cover byes. At the moment mine are Berger, McEvoy Giles and Stephenson. So each week will be playing at least one prem ruck.
In setting up the Structure I am also factoring in the byes on each line but having difficulty as well, Since posting this last night i have done more permutations and have got it to work. You may have to do some forward planning and maybe do a trade or 2 in week 11. In looking at the permutations I had to do one trade in week 11 to avoid a donut in week 13.
So basically this year it looks like the trades we do in these 3 weeks may define overall,
I assume ringo this is best case scenario, eating donuts if you don't have a full squad or injury/suspension
Ringo mate, I have been going over this for days and I just can't see what you see. If there is any chance that you could share your thoughts in more depth, I would be very grateful.
Chopps if anyone happens to have a full playing squad of 30 players come rounds 11 to 13 I would be very surprised and very impressed. I really don't think we can avoid at least a couple of donuts this year. It's disappointing really
Quote from: Ringo on December 23, 2011, 10:06:24 AM
Agree not easy. Forgot to mention Rucks are set up to cover byes. At the moment mine are Berger, McEvoy Giles and Stephenson. So each week will be playing at least one prem ruck.
In setting up the Structure I am also factoring in the byes on each line but having difficulty as well, Since posting this last night i have done more permutations and have got it to work. You may have to do some forward planning and maybe do a trade or 2 in week 11. In looking at the permutations I had to do one trade in week 11 to avoid a donut in week 13.
So basically this year it looks like the trades we do in these 3 weeks may define overall,
You can't do the trade in round 11 or prior to round 11 to avoid the donut as you will need an extra 12 or 13 player which will alienate your plan in either round 12 or 13 from excess. You need to do three trades in Round 12 and three in Round 13.
Edit P.S. I found a way to avoid a donut in the byes. It's achievable but radical and may not be worth it in the long run.
Quote from: Miss Pies on December 25, 2011, 04:12:48 PM
Quote from: Ringo on December 23, 2011, 10:06:24 AM
Agree not easy. Forgot to mention Rucks are set up to cover byes. At the moment mine are Berger, McEvoy Giles and Stephenson. So each week will be playing at least one prem ruck.
In setting up the Structure I am also factoring in the byes on each line but having difficulty as well, Since posting this last night i have done more permutations and have got it to work. You may have to do some forward planning and maybe do a trade or 2 in week 11. In looking at the permutations I had to do one trade in week 11 to avoid a donut in week 13.
So basically this year it looks like the trades we do in these 3 weeks may define overall,
You can't do the trade in round 11 or prior to round 11 to avoid the donut as you will need an extra 12 or 13 player which will alienate your plan in either round 12 or 13 from excess. You need to do three trades in Round 12 and three in Round 13.
Edit P.S. I found a way to avoid a donut in the byes. It's achievable but radical and may not be worth it in the long run.
I havent looked to hard at structure yet, but if it means not selecting some of the best dt scorers to save a few donuts i probably wont bother to much with it. Injuries and rooks not playing are probably going to stuff up most peoples planning anyway. I reckon it might be just worth gritting the teeth and facing it as it comes.
maybe no plan is the best plan... :o
I love how u have omaega in ur team, he's not playing till 2013
Quote from: scotty_222 on January 03, 2012, 10:57:16 AM
I love how u have omaega in ur team, he's not playing till 2013
So perhaps he's using a 22 round bye strategy.
I think it is simply too far out right now to do too much planning in regards to the byes.
No one really knows who their rookies will be right now and probably only have 10 players locked in barring injury
Having some sort of template like Ringos is the best you can hope for right now.....
Personally, I dont like the idea of "she'll be right, I will fix it rnd 10!" good luck to those guys!
she'll be right, I'll fix her come round 10.
yes, my dreamteam is a woman :P
Well then you have no chance of keeping it under control then Zip!! :P
I sent her back to the kitchen :P
Quote from: Ziplock on January 03, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
I sent her back to the kitchen :P
Of course because we make glorious food there. What's wrong? Oh we didn't invite you to dinner ;)
Quote from: Miss Pies on January 03, 2012, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 03, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
I sent her back to the kitchen :P
Of course because we make glorious food there. What's wrong? Oh we didn't invite you to dinner ;)
Gold MP
I'm with Zip, i've gone with a balanced number of players in each line in each bye week, and will look to trade as required during the bye bye rounds. I personnaly dont think that having a lesser rook for up to ten weeks to cover a donut in one bye rounds is the right strategy you may (probably will) lose more points on a player you settle for sue to byes than the one you know is the best but will end up leaving you with a donut, which leads to the other quesstion what is a trade worth how many points ? is a donut more costly of a trade? probably depends on the situation at the time, i think id rather use a trade than cop a donut, but im not sure i want to structure my team to a 3 round bye strategy with players that might xost me almost as much as they gain me. if you know what i mean, i think i know what i mean.
Quote from: Miss Pies on January 03, 2012, 09:30:36 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on January 03, 2012, 07:17:36 PM
I sent her back to the kitchen :P
Of course because we make glorious food there. What's wrong? Oh we didn't invite you to dinner ;)
How do you fix a woman's watch?
You don't. There is a clock on the oven.
Why don't women need driver's licenses?
There's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom.
A truck hits a woman, who's at fault?
The truck driver, what the hell was the truck doing in the kitchen?
Going to ignore the byes. Panicked too much last year about them, and my season was over before it became an issue. Come what may.
the answer to this posts question is NO
unless you pick dud rucks with dpp status and match them with dpp in the corresponing positions which imo will cost you more points than the donuts.
you will get 2 donuts that are unavoidable, any other donuts can be avoided through planning but 2 cannot be avoided without dpp rucks.
if you want detailed reasoning let me know i have another post somewhere explaining it all, or ask Ringo ;)