Poll
Question:
Which player would you prefer?
Option 1: Tom Rockliff
votes: 6
Option 2: Gary Ablett Jnr
votes: 29
Just interested on what people think. Who do you think will fair better in 2012?
Ablett. Rockliff needs to prove himself further. Put up a poll
rockliff wont be troubled by injury
Ablett jnr is Jesus. With another season of bondage with his young gold coast teammates and another year under the belts of the younger GC players I think gazz will get more protection than this year.
Rockliffe is still young (only a third year player). Mabybe an upgrade target for me.
I reckon they'll be about even averages Rockcliff being more consistant while ABlett being all over the place
Rocky will get more attention though
cheers guys. one positive of rockiliff is i still see simon black getting the tag at brisbane whilst at gc its always going to be ablett.
would redden be better then if rock gets all the attention , is rockcliff tagable ? or is he like swan
Quote from: TheMailman on November 09, 2011, 09:52:33 PM
I reckon they'll be about even averages Rockcliff being more consistant while ABlett being all over the place
Rocky will get more attention though
I'm pretty sure Ablett will the same amount of attention, but great players wont really be affected by attention
Sorry badly worded statement mine :P
I meant Rockcliff will get more attention than this year
Not more then Ablett
Ablett will get incredibly hard tags but he always has so what changes? Rocky still has rich, redden and black in lone for tags before himself. I stand by my earlier atetement regarding rockys youth and gazzas experience and godliness.
Rockcliff had a better season than Rich and redden didn't he? (correct me if I'm wrong)
That may well put him up the pecking order
Obviously Ablett... proven to be a fantasy god year in year out. another season with GC will help him. He got the hardest tags this year, and look how he did? He's always gotten tough tags, and it's never been an issue. It's stupid to think that it would become an issue now.
Rockliff still young, room for improvement, but also a chance he may pull back. I'll be holding off on Red/Rock and seeing how they do. If they keep it up i'll hold off until BL come back from the bye, and i'll try and pick them up in r12/13 when one of my other players has a bye.
Rich and Redden are just more dangerous/effective with the ball that rocky. In saying that I do love him.
lmao! this is a joke right
^^^^^ Custardarm.. Don't waste your time commenting if it's not constructive.... Obviously you havnt seen the dream team averages from last year. Both average 112. I suggest you do some research of some sort...
ok let me put it this way- rockliff is going into his 3rd proper season (although technically his fourth), after having one year averaging at a gun DT level. Whilst ablett will still be relatively young (28) and broke out 5 years ago, having 4 consequative years above 110 DT average.
Ablett wins this based on being a proven gun.
As for the similar averages: ablett went into the start of the season carrying injury, a little underdone, but forced to play due to him pretty much carrying gold coast. This seriously dropped his average. Barring his injured game of 23 in round 16, ablett averaged since round 8 nearly 126 points per match
Even looking at rockys strong finish after round 13, he averaged 120 points
still really good, still really impressive. However, ablett clearly finished the season stronger for longer.
took a couple of seconds to research my friend, and the clear winner between the two is clear. IMO ablett will lift his average to 115+ next year ftr as gold coast improves as a team, he may even push the magical 120 barrier. However, rocky is in a position where he could drop his average 5 or more points next season.
the winner is blindingly obvious, it would take a horrific injury for me to change my mind otherwise (touch wood)
Ziplock out
:-X
^Agreed with everything. This shouldn't be a question.
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 01:51:11 AM
the winner is blindingly obvious, it would take a horrific injury for me to change my mind otherwise (touch wood)
Or a bunch of minor injuries like ablett had this year.
Also this is a perfectly reasonable question
Ablett's Standard Deviation you'd find is significantly bigger than Rockliff's
Therefore, Rockliff is more consistant
Not meaning to bag ablett out but if you were in a choice it isn't simple :P
Quote from: Cicjose on November 09, 2011, 09:41:47 PM
rockliff wont be troubled by injury
based on history yes, although they both played 20 games this season
Quote from: TheMailman on November 10, 2011, 07:59:27 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 01:51:11 AM
the winner is blindingly obvious, it would take a horrific injury for me to change my mind otherwise (touch wood)
Or a bunch of minor injuries like ablett had this year.
Also this is a perfectly reasonable question
Ablett's Standard Deviation you'd find is significantly bigger than Rockliff's
Therefore, Rockliff is more consistant
Not meaning to bag ablett out but if you were in a choice it isn't simple :P
how is the choice not simple? you would choose Ablett over Rockliff every time even knowing Ablett will miss a game or two.
you would be crazy not too, we all know Ablett had the injury affected 23 and was carrying a niggle at the start of the season
you're not going to choose Rockliff who had a breakout season even if it was 112 over Ablett who has average 111.7 + for four years running and he is going to improve that while GC improves, if you treat 2007 as Ablett's break out in DT 5 year average is 112.
Why limit yourself to one of these guys?
Ablett will be in every dream team this year, no question. He is underpriced and could easily get up to 120+ppg provided he gets a full pre-season under his belt. Rightly among the first picked.
Opposition teams might be more aware of Rockliff now, but Black and Rich will still get the heat from opposition run-with players. They are quality disposers of the footy and are more damaging than Rockliff. When Black retires, more attention could go to Rockliff but until then, I wouldn't worry about it. Rockliff is custom-built for DT, has a massive ceiling and he might just improve a bit on his 112 average. Remember that he also had an injury-affected score of 59 last year as well.
Quote from: TheMailman on November 10, 2011, 07:59:27 AM
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 01:51:11 AM
the winner is blindingly obvious, it would take a horrific injury for me to change my mind otherwise (touch wood)
Or a bunch of minor injuries like ablett had this year.
Also this is a perfectly reasonable question
Ablett's Standard Deviation you'd find is significantly bigger than Rockliff's
Therefore, Rockliff is more consistant
Not meaning to bag ablett out but if you were in a choice it isn't simple :P
abletts standard deviation would be significantly bigger including the 23... if you look past round 8 once again for ablett, and past round 13 for rocky, ablett had a low score of 92 while rocky had a low score of 95. Then ablett had high scores of 175, 156, 147, 146 compared to rocky's 151, 138, 122
I'm sorry, that's just bent over and ass flowered. Yeah ablett was carrying niggles, so people talk about his injury factor, but tbh, only an absolute idiot picked ablett pre-season, we all knew he was carrying a groin injury that would take a few months to heal, so we all targeted him for an upgrade.
This is really a closed case, I'm sorry...
They're priced at the same, but ablett is underpriced while rocky is over priced. I don't understand how you can make the comparison once you just look at the basic stats...
Quote from: noto07 on November 10, 2011, 01:29:51 AM
^^^^^ Custardarm.. Don't waste your time commenting if it's not constructive.... Obviously you havnt seen the dream team averages from last year. Both average 112. I suggest you do some research of some sort...
Lol, take a chill pill.
"Obviously" me saying that means that the answer is
"Obviously" Ablett and that's as constructive as you can get with such a lop sided question, because......
"Obviously" if you had to pick one it would be Ablett.
"Obviously" you didnt finish in the top 1000 and
"Obviously" your the only person who voted for Rockliff.
"Obviously" you have never seen me post before because if its worth saying Ill give a detailed opinion (i.e Didak post)
"Obviously" my response was concise and speaks for itself.
That constructive enough for ya?!?
Sick of picky barbies like you taking offence to nothing! Read between the lines you might learn something.....oh yeh my Ranking 2011 DT-613, SC-319
calm down guys, don't get agitated for no reason
I'm going Rocky, because I'd be seeing Ablett as an upgrade target for later. Brissie are a slightly better team and you'd also think Rocky would be cheaper.
Its hard to compare them though. I'm not sure they would be competing for the same spot in my midfield.
Quote from: Voldemort on November 10, 2011, 02:15:19 PM
calm down guys, don't get agitated for no reason
Seconded. Save it for the 2012 regular season ;D
lol, i never voted. Wasn't being picky. Was just wondering what people thought, and got some good feedback. Hence it was a reasonable question.
Quote from: noto07 on November 10, 2011, 03:02:35 PM
lol, i never voted. Wasn't being picky. Was just wondering what people thought, and got some good feedback. Hence it was a reasonable question.
This is the end of the arguement
Please give the man a medal
Rich has become like palmer very good first year players and have been become less of a requirement as time has gone on
not saying Rich isnt going to be good but has yet to show great games consistently
Quote from: CuStArDaRm on November 10, 2011, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: noto07 on November 10, 2011, 01:29:51 AM
^^^^^ Custardarm.. Don't waste your time commenting if it's not constructive.... Obviously you havnt seen the dream team averages from last year. Both average 112. I suggest you do some research of some sort...
Lol, take a chill pill.
"Obviously" me saying that means that the answer is
"Obviously" Ablett and that's as constructive as you can get with such a lop sided question, because......
"Obviously" if you had to pick one it would be Ablett.
"Obviously" you didnt finish in the top 1000 and
"Obviously" your the only person who voted for Rockliff.
"Obviously" you have never seen me post before because if its worth saying Ill give a detailed opinion (i.e Didak post)
"Obviously" my response was concise and speaks for itself.
That constructive enough for ya?!?
Sick of picky barbies like you taking offence to nothing! Read between the lines you might learn something.....oh yeh my Ranking 2011 DT-613, SC-319
Mate, maybe if you went outside for once youd learn some social etiquette.
And even if we didnt finish in the top 1000, at least we give better advice than blah blah blah im awesome blah blah blah.
wow, so much hate for this dude. I actually thought his query was legit (even if he phrased it harshly)
It's a really clear cut case, both by gut feeling, and by stats.
Isnt this a forum for getting help? This guy wanted help, and Custardam wanted to start a flame war. Its what he does.
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
wow, so much hate for this dude. I actually thought his query was legit (even if he phrased it harshly)
It's a really clear cut case, both by gut feeling, and by stats.
You're kidding right?
He just comes in and starts the mother of all flame wars ???
see, you just did exactly what he did to the OP to me :P
I honestly thought a post like this was a bit laughable as well- it's obvious who comes on top.
but, at the very least it was good to do, get some practice stat crunching in :)
I don't have a problem with you as much as CuStardum
Quote from: TheMailman on November 10, 2011, 08:25:56 PM
I don't have a problem with you as much as CuStardum
How can you have a problem with Zippy?
Didn't I just say I didn't? :P
Quote from: TheMailman on November 10, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
Didn't I just say I didn't? :P
No, you said you didnt have as much as a problem. There is a difference ;).
Ah touche young man ;)
Well for clarification I don't 8)
HAPPY? ::)
I think Ablett is better because he is a proven player. We all know he is a star but Rocky needs to improve if he wants to get up to Ablett's skill level.
phew, good to know nobody has a problem with me, I was sweating bullets over here :P
and yeah torps, that seems to be the general consensus :P
Quote from: Cicjose on November 10, 2011, 06:35:33 PM
Rich has become like palmer very good first year players and have been become less of a requirement as time has gone on
not saying Rich isnt going to be good but has yet to show great games consistently
Cic Rich was very heavily tagged this year and I suspect now attention will be paid to Rockliff Would want to see how Rocky handles a tag for the first few games. IMO the value in the Brissie side this year is Redden as he is down the pecking order and looked good in the later half of the last season.
To answer the question though if Rocky shows he can handle a tag then he would be the choice out of the 2.
Quote from: TheMailman on November 10, 2011, 09:38:40 PM
Ah touche young man ;)
Well for clarification I don't 8)
HAPPY? ::)
Maybe :P.
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 09:48:12 PM
phew, good to know nobody has a problem with me, I was sweating bullets over here :P
Ummmm, yep.
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 08:16:15 PM.....it's obvious who comes on top....
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really wish that'd been your first post ever. would have been golden :P
cheers for the advice guys! greatly appreciated!
Quote from: DicingApple on November 10, 2011, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: Ziplock on November 10, 2011, 08:16:15 PM.....it's obvious who comes on top....
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Yet another example of an essendon supporter being legendary :D
If you were after someone slightly unique Rockliff would be a great option.
None of you are considering Rockliff stepped it up right at the end, had his highest score of the year in his 2nd last game and had a 120+ score against the Pies in rd22.
Rockliff is on the up and up.
Quote from: Nails on November 12, 2011, 02:59:06 AM
If you were after someone slightly unique Rockliff would be a great option.
None of you are considering Rockliff stepped it up right at the end, had his highest score of the year in his 2nd last game and had a 120+ score against the Pies in rd22.
Rockliff is on the up and up.
not saying not get rockliff the question is do you get ablett or ablett and rocky
i think this is a really good topic, its valid in fantasy terms if u can get passed the real life wtf reaction...
Ablett hasnt played every game for some time and u wouldnt think thats going to change...
Can Rockliff elevate another notch? why the hell not he has free reign over that midfield...
Quote from: Marcz on November 13, 2011, 01:21:30 AM
i think this is a really good topic, its valid in fantasy terms if u can get passed the real life wtf reaction...
Ablett hasnt played every game for some time and u wouldnt think thats going to change...
Can Rockliff elevate another notch? why the hell not he has free reign over that midfield...
Look at his last 5 games of the year... He already has :-X