How will being under a new coach in Ross Lyon effect broughtons scores this year? Will he get more midfield time ? Could he average 100 or more if he does?
I got the same questions Grant. Only thing we can do is watch pre season, and see what role he will play.
definite option. i think mark harvey is the only person in the football world who cannot see that broughton has much more value in the midfield than stuck in the back pocket.
also with palmer gone, maybe there is a spot open for him
everyone thinks he struggled this year yet by the end of the season he was the most expensive backman ahead of
Gibbs Enright and Goddard.....
Its going to be a intersting option to look at and with Palmer gone but Barlow and Mundy to back into the midfield lets just hope he changes from the Backlines to Midfield then will be a lock...at $350k why wouldnt u take the punt?
cicjose only because he had that 5-6 week run when we was at 250k and had a low BE.
he was a rollercoaster who wasnt worth the money he ended up being.
Avoid like the plague how many freo players are honestly going to score over 100 sandi pav mundy barlow fyfe
There is usually only two or three 100's in a game so avoid taking him and many freo players i think max two players from the one club
Quote from: maccar86 on September 16, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
cicjose only because he had that 5-6 week run when we was at 250k and had a low BE.
he was a rollercoaster who wasnt worth the money he ended up being.
so what you think that his scores tanked that was why he became the most expensive backman in the game.......
to be honest yes.
he was scoring 50's and 60's and dropped to like 250k
at that price his BE was super low and he had that run of 5-6 games where he scored big 100s (due to midfield time only)
and become super expensive.
but he was no way worth the money he ended up being worth when we couldnt break 60 on a regular basis
Definitely a wait and see proposition. Im 60/40 against getting him at the minute. See what Lyon's does with him and where he lines up before i even begin to think about him.
Lyon has already flagged a few position changes in a recent interview. will be interesting to see what they are
Im hoping that Pav will spend more time up forward next year with Lyon at the helm and a healthy Freo squad, ive got a gut felling Lyon might want to turn Broughton into a Gilbert/Fisher type player, have heard a bit of chat in the media regarding that but he would have a few players to choose from for that roll and Freo supporters would have a better idea about that.
I have heard Lyon or Pav say he was going to spend more time in the fwd line this year, so a midfield spot for broughts is not totally out the equation, i would be happier for DT to see him on the wandering round half back role, racking up the touches though... we will see
Was burnt by him early last year only for him to then turn around and kill it in mid season... glad I didn't pick him back up tho coz he faded when it counted towards the end. His scores largely depend on his role.
It would take a very clear statement from Lyon that he will be in midfield for me to take him... but if his role does change... he could be the best defender in DT...
Wait and see proposition for me.
Quote from: maccar86 on September 16, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
definite option. i think mark harvey is the only person in the football world who cannot see that broughton has much more value in the midfield than stuck in the back pocket.
also with palmer gone, maybe there is a spot open for him
Wrong.
Broughton only has better DT value in the midfield - lets not confuse that with where he should play on the field
I thought Harvey was the only one who understand how important Broughton is in the back 6. Broughton is an average to good midfielder but is elite as a shutdown defender on the smalls. He has taken on Stevie J and beat him 1 on 1 on many occasions (as an example I can think of straight away). 2010 against Geelong when we won by a few points - the ball was kicked to Stevie J one out with Broughton and Broughts won the contest and brought the ball out both times.
His SC scores last year prove how important he is as a shutdown defender (ie back pocket)
Broughton only went in to the midfield last year because we had no other options.
Quote from: valkorum on December 19, 2011, 04:43:49 PM
Quote from: maccar86 on September 16, 2011, 02:29:54 PM
definite option. i think mark harvey is the only person in the football world who cannot see that broughton has much more value in the midfield than stuck in the back pocket.
also with palmer gone, maybe there is a spot open for him
Wrong.
Broughton only has better DT value in the midfield - lets not confuse that with where he should play on the field
I thought Harvey was the only one who understand how important Broughton is in the back 6. Broughton is an average to good midfielder but is elite as a shutdown defender on the smalls. He has taken on Stevie J and beat him 1 on 1 on many occasions (as an example I can think of straight away). 2010 against Geelong when we won by a few points - the ball was kicked to Stevie J one out with Broughton and Broughts won the contest and brought the ball out both times.
His SC scores last year prove how important he is as a shutdown defender (ie back pocket)
Broughton only went in to the midfield last year because we had no other options.
Solid feedback Valk!! Who's still keen to pick him now?
Quote from: chatters24 on December 20, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
Solid feedback Valk!! Who's still keen to pick him now?
In SC I think he is a lock.
He is well and truly in my plans at this point
Quote from: valkorum on December 20, 2011, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: chatters24 on December 20, 2011, 04:26:44 PM
Solid feedback Valk!! Who's still keen to pick him now?
In SC I think he is a lock.
SC Yes, but a very risky pick for DT.
Im on board but like others am worried about Harvey. I look at it this way. If Lee Spurr gets promoted off rookie list he will slot into back pocket and then Broughton will run in mids/half back. If Spurr doesn't get promtoed then Broughton will play pocket rocket role
Quote from: Cicjose on September 16, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: maccar86 on September 16, 2011, 02:49:31 PM
cicjose only because he had that 5-6 week run when we was at 250k and had a low BE.
he was a rollercoaster who wasnt worth the money he ended up being.
so what you think that his scores tanked that was why he became the most expensive backman in the game.......
Dunno where your going with that stupid comment Maccar is absolutely right.
Your point makes absolutely no sence at all.... haha
You want a number to follow to compare one player to another, try average? bahahaha most expensive what a load of rubbish
Anyone think he could play midfield all year ? If so he might be worth giving a go, he burnt me last year is my only concern
Morabito's back, Barlow's right. Not sure if Broughton will play midfield all year. If he did we'd all lock him in. Doubt I'll be taking him.
yeah agrred with barlow and co. I don't think broughton will be in the mids not to say he cant score well off hb but will he, still in any case it's not like he is super cheap
I can see broughton improving easily to an average of 90+, and also being consistent.
STATS
2009-Avg:87.6 SD:29.5
2010-Avg:89.3 SD:18.9
2011-Avg:84.1 SD:30.45
Broughton had a bad year because of role changes from his first 2 seasons from fremantles ridiculously large injury list. We know when he plays midfield he tears it up, between rds 9-19 he averaged 106.5 a standard deviation of 28.84 with a high of 149 and a low of 46 in 2011.
Though in his first 2 seasons he was a rebounding defender, 2009, which was his rookie season, he performed quite well. Continuing onto his second year in 2010 he slightly increased his average but at a far more consistent rate.
Now I believe Broughton will be returning to his rebounding role, like in 2010, if Freo have a healthy list.
There most probable starting defenders are below:
FB: Paul Duffield Zac Dawson Alex Silvagni
HB: Greg Broughton Luke McPharlin Nick Suban
the 3 main KPD will be Dawson, Silvagni and McPharlin, and therefore my guess of him returning to his 2010 role of rebounding defender, who cheekily collects those +6s in defense.
Overall he is a lock 'n' load for me
So does spurr get a run in that back line? not sure now they have room for him?? You seem to know your FREO :-\
Gut feeling is G-Bro will flourish under Lyon. He's in my team.
Quote from: popedelio on December 28, 2011, 02:44:41 AM
Now I believe Broughton will be returning to his rebounding role, like in 2010, if Freo have a healthy list.
There most probable starting defenders are below:
FB: Paul Duffield Zac Dawson Alex Silvagni
HB: Greg Broughton Luke McPharlin Nick Suban
the 3 main KPD will be Dawson, Silvagni and McPharlin, and therefore my guess of him returning to his 2010 role of rebounding defender, who cheekily collects those +6s in defense.
Overall he is a lock 'n' load for me
Except that Duffield has been training for the "Quarterback" role. Broughton I think will play the lockdown small defender role. SC he is a lock, DT I am unsure.
Quote from: valkorum on December 28, 2011, 02:51:56 PM
Quote from: popedelio on December 28, 2011, 02:44:41 AM
Now I believe Broughton will be returning to his rebounding role, like in 2010, if Freo have a healthy list.
There most probable starting defenders are below:
FB: Paul Duffield Zac Dawson Alex Silvagni
HB: Greg Broughton Luke McPharlin Nick Suban
the 3 main KPD will be Dawson, Silvagni and McPharlin, and therefore my guess of him returning to his 2010 role of rebounding defender, who cheekily collects those +6s in defense.
Overall he is a lock 'n' load for me
Except that Duffield has been training for the "Quarterback" role. Broughton I think will play the lockdown small defender role. SC he is a lock, DT I am unsure.
I know that you are a freo supporter and that you may know more then me, but weren't both duff and broughton rebounding in 2010, It was freos stellar year. In 2011 there whole list was injured, hence finishing in the bottom 8 and role changes for some of the remaining starters like broughton and duff. For Freo to return to a top 4 side, which i believe they will, they need a healthy list and return to the form they were playing in 2010, which hopefully returns broughton back to his role. Also Lyons implements a defensive strategy and likes to hold the ball, meaning cheap stats for defenders.
Broughts does rebound out of 50 but he mainly plays on the dangerous small forward (Stevie J, Cyril, Milne, LeCras types)
So is Broughten in the same class for DT as say Enright or Shaw in DEF?
Quote from: Colliwobblers on December 28, 2011, 09:13:18 PM
So is Broughten in the same class for DT as say Enright or Shaw in DEF?
I've had the whole 3 last 3 years and I'd say yes to your question, however the 3 of them are all different in their scoring.
You know with Enright he's going to ave low 90's and pretty much play out a full season. Very reliable, rarely has a bad game while also being able to rack up the odd big one. His age shouldn't be an issue this year as he doesn't play the crash and bash game where he can pick up injuries.
Shaw will be a bit erratic with his scores as he plays the odd shut down role and can score in the 30's or 40's. He could average anywhere from low 80's to low 90's depending on his role for the year. Also a chance to miss a chunk of the season as shown in the past.
Broughton is in the same boat as Shaw where he can put in a couple of shockers however if let loose can rack them up big time. I kept him throughout last year when everyone was dumping him and he ended up with a 84 ave. With a healthier squad Broughton could spend more time in the midfield and get a 90+ ave in 2012.
I currenly have Broughton in my side as he's the best value and will look to Enright as an upgrade. I'm keeping clear of Shaw as he has cost me a trade too often in the past.
Damn it i'm sold you've convinced me, I have had a love affair in DT with the purple players doing well out of fyfe and sandi last year.
Out Shaw in Broughton and I'm half way to turning trengrove into a premium mid. Where to find the other $50k now.....
And may Shaw be found in a TAB up to his ears in tickets and hookers and out for 8 :)
I'm a pies supporter but have to go for the greater good which is surely my DT, right? I mean hell the pies will be right without him anyway...
Quote from: Colliwobblers on December 28, 2011, 11:36:50 PM
Damn it i'm sold you've convinced me, I have had a love affair in DT with the purple players doing well out of fyfe and sandi last year.
Out Shaw in Broughton and I'm half way to turning trengrove into a premium mid. Where to find the other $50k now.....
And may Shaw be found in a TAB up to his ears in tickets and hookers and out for 8 :)
I'm a pies supporter but have to go for the greater good which is surely my DT, right? I mean hell the pies will be right without him anyway...
Having Shaw in your side can be a buzz for when he's on he's great to watch while being a scoring beast. However I've put him in the Grimes / Higgins category where they burn you in the end and you're better off going for someone more stable.
Except that Duffield has been training for the "Quarterback" role. Broughton I think will play the lockdown small defender role. SC he is a lock, DT I am unsure.
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Does this mean duffield could be a sneaky pick at a lesser price? I had him in before i did a re-shuffle
Never underestimate the likes of Boughton, so he had a tough year. The fact you are mostly against him just makes it easier to take the crown lol.
Quote from: Joshy11 on December 29, 2011, 02:54:22 AM
Except that Duffield has been training for the "Quarterback" role. Broughton I think will play the lockdown small defender role. SC he is a lock, DT I am unsure.
Does this mean duffield could be a sneaky pick at a lesser price? I had him in before i did a re-shuffle
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Shhhhhh
50/50. Look, either him or Duff will play the 'quarterback role'. I've heard whispers that Lyon is grooming Broughton for a Goddard type role... One problem, Broughton simply isn't as good as Goddard.
For me I'll be passing but i know others are very keen. Watch some NAB.
Broughts burnt me last year. Hard.
Traded him out after he started the year with 50's and 60's then he started playing in the midfield and scoring unbelievably... Thankfully I resisted the urge and didn't trade him back in as he returned to the same low scoring at the end of the year.
As someone above pointed out - his scoring directly correlates to his role. Unfortunately, his primary role has and most likely will always be as a shut down backman, where he plays his best footy (but not DT friendly).
With Mundy and Barlow back fit in 2012 and with so many young promising midfielders I think he'll remain in that defender role for the majority of 2012 thus not score too well. Pick him at your own peril...