Similar to last years thread, let's use this thread to discuss our thoughts for 2019
Might seem early to start this, but I'm out of trades already and this year has been a nightmare from Round 1 so I'm looking forward to 2019 already!
I think Defence is going to have plenty of really good options next year. Not only will guys like Laird, Lloyd, Sicily, Simmo etc maintain and be great starting picks, we'll also have a discounted Docherty returning. It's going to be hard deciding which prem defenders to leave out and not start!
Danger and Dusty should both get MID/FWD DPP too but I'm wondering if CD will actually do it, especially for Danger. Remember when Ablett should have been much cheaper but they decided to not give him the proper discount because everyone would have had him? Well I can see them saying the same thing for Danger with FWD so I'm not sure he gets it, but if he does then he will set a record for percentage ownership
Gawn and Grundy should be the obvious set and forget ruck set up
If Danger and Dusty do in fact get fwd status then for the first time in a while I think we could see some nice unique midfields. 2018 has been a strange one for mids - usually we've had a group of players that go 115+, but this year there hasn't been as much, and some of the ones who have, have then got injured so I feel like the mid dynamics have slightly changed and I think this could be a good thing for 2019
Off the top of my head I would think Titch, Fyfe, Oliver and Kelly would be my 4 absolute locks to start, but then it really opens up from there with plenty of ways to go
What are your thoughts?
The Liberatore and Brad Crouch combo of 2015 (IIRC), will be popular once again.
Laird is a lock to start every year until he retires.
If Docherty receives his proper discount (doubt it) he should be in 99% of teams.
Guys like Heeney and McLean would lose forward status I presume, so the tradition continues of finding new premo forwards every year.
Hibberd, Billings, Lobb, Sauce, Armitage and Dusty should all be cheap.
Seriously though.... none of the above....except possibly Dusty.
Will Andrews drop a bit if he does not play again this year, Could be another handy defender if so?
Quote from: fanTCfool on July 09, 2018, 05:54:13 PM
Laird is a lock to start every year until he retires.
If Docherty receives his proper discount (doubt it) he should be in 99% of teams.
Guys like Heeney and McLean would lose forward status I presume, so the tradition continues of finding new premo forwards every year.
I actually think Heeney will maintain DPP
Agree McLean won't
Maximum number of games you can play to receive a discount is 9, so Andrews (13) won't be discounted.
Further to what I mentioned in the OP regarding prem mids next year
I've just had a look, and to my surprise there is only 26 mids currently averaging 100 or more
Of that 26, McLean, Heeney and Hoff are forwards, leaving 23 pure mids
Only 16 of that 23 are currently averaging over 105, and 3 of that 16 (Macrae, Fyfe, Treloar) are out with LTI's so that leaves 13 fit mids going 105+
Funnily enough, players most of us thought were probably past it such as Jelwood, Pendles and Higgins occupy 3 of those 13 spots
How many people would have 8 of those 13? Just goes to show how much luck is required to nail the right picks - and maybe we shouldn't be discounting the older prems so easily ;)
Only 4 guys currently going above 115 too - 2 of which are injured - perhaps next year 105+ is the number to focus on
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 09, 2018, 06:45:52 PM
Further to what I mentioned in the OP regarding prem mids next year
I've just had a look, and to my surprise there is only 26 mids currently averaging 100 or more
Of that 26, McLean, Heeney and Hoff are forwards, leaving 23 pure mids
Only 16 of that 23 are currently averaging over 105, and 3 of that 16 (Macrae, Fyfe, Treloar) are out with LTI's so that leaves 13 fit mids going 105+
Funnily enough, players most of us thought were probably past it such as Jelwood, Pendles and Higgins occupy 3 of those 13 spots
How many people would have 8 of those 13? Just goes to show how much luck is required to nail the right picks - and maybe we shouldn't be discounting the older prems so easily ;)
Only 4 guys currently going above 115 too - 2 of which are injured - perhaps next year 105+ is the number to focus on
Pendles is 30 I don't know how people can say he is washed up.... as he pumps out a 160 ;D Beams is another people have overlooked sure he has had a tough year but he is a proven big SC scorer as he showed this week glad to jumped on both at bargain basement prices ;)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 09, 2018, 06:45:52 PM
Only 16 of that 23 are currently averaging over 105, and 3 of that 16 (Macrae, Fyfe, Treloar) are out with LTI's so that leaves 13 fit mids going 105+
Funnily enough, players most of us thought were probably past it such as Jelwood, Pendles and Higgins occupy 3 of those 13 spots
How many people would have 8 of those 13?
;)
Off the top of my head A few bargain buys that have missed all year
Defence - Sam Docherty, Zac Williams, Brodie Smith
Mid - Brad Crouch, Tom Liberatore
Forward - Jamie Elliot
Wigg, Freeman, Goddard, T.Williams all cheap rookie options for next year
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 09, 2018, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on July 09, 2018, 05:54:13 PM
Laird is a lock to start every year until he retires.
If Docherty receives his proper discount (doubt it) he should be in 99% of teams.
Guys like Heeney and McLean would lose forward status I presume, so the tradition continues of finding new premo forwards every year.
I actually think Heeney will maintain DPP
Agree McLean won't
Parker should regain DPP so he's an auto lock.
Everyone will have the exact same fwd line of Danger, Dusty, Parker, Greene, Rook, Rook.
Quote from: quinny88 on July 10, 2018, 12:02:10 AM
Freeman
he's actually a chance this week is the word. not sure how that will affect his price next year but it wouldn't be by much you'd think
well depends how many games he plays I guess. still 7 games left... could really flower his price next year haha
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Quote from: quinny88 on July 10, 2018, 12:02:10 AM
Freeman
he's actually a chance this week is the word. not sure how that will affect his price next year but it wouldn't be by much you'd think
well depends how many games he plays I guess. still 7 games left... could really flower his price next year haha
Rookies are generally priced at the average regardless of whether they play 1 game or 5 or whatever
Freeman will likely play this week.
They are lot less generous with the discounts for Premo's than they used to be.
The old days was, miss a season get a 40% discount. Now its a sliding scale based on average
Naitanui got 20% discount for 2018 after averaging 105.9 in 2016
Nicholls and Ceglar got 30% discounts after averaging 82.5 and 69.3 in 2016
(Didn't purposely pick ruckman they are just 3 of the higher averaging 2016 players who missed 2017)
So based on that I would say the 2019 prices for the below are:
Doch: 504600 (20%)
B.Crouch: 423300 (20%)
Z.Williams: 413000 (20%)
B.Smith: 316500 (30%)
Don't think Brad Crouch is someone I would pick - just too risky
Hopefully we get heaps of good forward rookies or cheap options because at this rate I want to start 6 prem defenders lol
Ruck's will be interesting, would you be prepared to start two 690k-720k ruckman?
Goldy will be less than 600k and will be hard to ignore
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 11:16:13 AM
Ruck's will be interesting, would you be prepared to start two 690k-720k ruckman?
Goldy will be less than 600k and will be hard to ignore
Surely start Preuss once he moves clubs at EOS. 8)
Quote from: Nige on July 10, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 11:16:13 AM
Ruck's will be interesting, would you be prepared to start two 690k-720k ruckman?
Goldy will be less than 600k and will be hard to ignore
Surely start Preuss once he moves clubs at EOS. 8)
That would be nice haha
But what club would he be a walk up starter? Dogs maybe
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: Nige on July 10, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 11:16:13 AM
Ruck's will be interesting, would you be prepared to start two 690k-720k ruckman?
Goldy will be less than 600k and will be hard to ignore
Surely start Preuss once he moves clubs at EOS. 8)
That would be nice haha
But what club would he be a walk up starter? Dogs maybe
Geelong, really need a dominant ruck, should trade for either Goldy or Preuss IMO, whoever North are more willing to let go.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 09, 2018, 06:45:52 PM
Further to what I mentioned in the OP regarding prem mids next year
I've just had a look, and to my surprise there is only 26 mids currently averaging 100 or more
Of that 26, McLean, Heeney and Hoff are forwards, leaving 23 pure mids
Only 16 of that 23 are currently averaging over 105, and 3 of that 16 (Macrae, Fyfe, Treloar) are out with LTI's so that leaves 13 fit mids going 105+
Funnily enough, players most of us thought were probably past it such as Jelwood, Pendles and Higgins occupy 3 of those 13 spots
How many people would have 8 of those 13? Just goes to show how much luck is required to nail the right picks - and maybe we shouldn't be discounting the older prems so easily ;)
Only 4 guys currently going above 115 too - 2 of which are injured - perhaps next year 105+ is the number to focus on
Pendles & Jelwood were in my side for the week before lockout. :-[
Agree RD - Gawn & Grundy set & forget. Pick any four gun mids, 3-4 gun backs and work your way through forwards as season progresses - a bit like this season
Quote from: fanTCfool on July 10, 2018, 01:14:32 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 01:11:25 PM
Quote from: Nige on July 10, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 11:16:13 AM
Ruck's will be interesting, would you be prepared to start two 690k-720k ruckman?
Goldy will be less than 600k and will be hard to ignore
Surely start Preuss once he moves clubs at EOS. 8)
That would be nice haha
But what club would he be a walk up starter? Dogs maybe
Geelong, really need a dominant ruck, should trade for either Goldy or Preuss IMO, whoever North are more willing to let go.
GWS, straight swap for Kelly (maybe some junk thrown in) ;D
RULE ONE OF SUPERCOACH: NEVER GET THE NO.1 RUCKMAN THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
b smith is 2-4 weeks away dunno if that will affect his price next year
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on July 11, 2018, 07:15:31 AM
b smith is 2-4 weeks away dunno if that will affect his price next year
Wouldn't touch him, even if he is 300k. Only had one good year, and that was ages ago
Coming off an injury too - no idea why he still gets even mentioned or considered tbh
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
Doch: 504600 (20%)
B.Crouch: 423300 (20%)
Z.Williams: 413000 (20%)
B.Smith: 316500 (30%)
Lock them in.
Quote from: SilverLion on July 11, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
Doch: 504600 (20%)
B.Crouch: 423300 (20%)
Z.Williams: 413000 (20%)
B.Smith: 316500 (30%)
Lock them in.
Doch and Williams Yes - wouldn't start the Crows
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 11, 2018, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on July 11, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
Doch: 504600 (20%)
B.Crouch: 423300 (20%)
Z.Williams: 413000 (20%)
B.Smith: 316500 (30%)
Lock them in.
Doch and Williams Yes - wouldn't start the Crows
Brodie Smith is a chance to return for a couple games before the end of the season as well I think, so obviously depending on how he scores but he probably won't get that much of a discount with games played
At those prices they need to turn into keepers
If Crouch and Smith were 250k I would do it obviously, but at those prices I won't even consider them as they carry too much risk and don't have proven prem histories either (Smith just 1 year nearly 5 years ago)
A few other underpriced players of note:
As long as he doesn't play this week, Toby Greene will receive a slight discount, could make him a little more appealing if we lose a few of the DPP forwards from this year, he's one we can bank on retaining his forward status.
Tom Scully averaged 19 this year and theoretically receives the 30% discount as well as he only played one game. Obviously they won't price him at a 19 average, but could be a very juicy starter at 280-320k or something along those lines, capable of M7/M8 scoring up until the byes.
Aaron Hall will be about 400k, but doubt he would have too many suitors unless he puts up some big JLT scores. Does have the potential to ton and put up a 90+ average, but I probably wouldn't look at him unless he had DPP for some reason.
Michael Barlow will be cheaper as well, close to 300k I suspect, but I'm not sure if he is even contracted for next year - isn't getting games anyway, so I've more or less put a line through him.
Dylan Roberton will be cheap if he returns from his heart problem, but I suspect he has lost his spot to Webster. Not a lot of interest.
Already mentioned in this thread and similar to Scully, Libba averaged 13 this year in Round 1 when he was injured. Will get a juicy discount down toward his 2016 starting price of 350k. Probably lower.
Other players set for a discount that probably have little relevance for SuperCoach selection (they'll get a discount, but their relevance/price can fluctuate depending on their average for the rest of the year):
Zac Smith, Lachie Henderson, Pearce Hanley, Hamish Hartlett, Liam Picken, Jamie Elliott, Martin Gleeson, Matthew Broadbent, Josh Smith, Sam Naismith, Daniel Wells, Braydon Preuss, Declan Mountford, Tom Bell, Tom Williamson, Adam Oxley, Harley Bennell, Harley Balic.
Quote from: TomK on July 11, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 11, 2018, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on July 11, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 10, 2018, 10:55:03 AM
Doch: 504600 (20%)
B.Crouch: 423300 (20%)
Z.Williams: 413000 (20%)
B.Smith: 316500 (30%)
Lock them in.
Doch and Williams Yes - wouldn't start the Crows
Brodie Smith is a chance to return for a couple games before the end of the season as well I think, so obviously depending on how he scores but he probably won't get that much of a discount with games played
Agree with RD. Doc and Williams for certain. not touching the crow boys. Crouch to injury prone and Smith to inconsistent.
Elliot Yeo. Playing predominantly MID this year and will probably be only available as a MID next year.
Anyone considering him as a prem mid? Averaging 105+ up to this point...
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Just concerned with rucks traditionally Top rucks from the year fall a little in the following year.
Quote from: Ringo on July 12, 2018, 11:32:47 PM
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Just concerned with rucks traditionally Top rucks from the year fall a little in the following year.
Eh, I'm not too concerned. Grundy in particular scores like a midfielder with a bunch of hitouts on the side. 24 years of age doesn't hurt either.
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Will be too expensive, sacrificing too much elsewhere.
Hopefully Preuss goes to the Dogs so we can lock him in.
Quote from: SilverLion on July 13, 2018, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Will be too expensive, sacrificing too much elsewhere.
Hopefully Preuss goes to the Dogs so we can lock him in.
Then there is the question, Gawn or Grundy for R1? With Preuss for R2.
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Never pick a No. 1 ruckman from the year previous, they always dissapoint. Get a midfielder instead.
Ryder for me I think. Ryder and maybe Nic Nat depending on game time estimates.
Quote from: Trindacut on July 13, 2018, 05:41:17 AM
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Never pick a No. 1 ruckman from the year previous, they always dissapoint. Get a midfielder instead.
Ryder for me I think. Ryder and maybe Nic Nat depending on game time estimates.
Im not sold on Ryder but I did start Nic Nat this year and will consider him for next year.
Quote from: TommyC on July 13, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: Trindacut on July 13, 2018, 05:41:17 AM
Quote from: TommyC on July 12, 2018, 11:22:00 PM
As for Ruckman: Surely Gawn/Grundy locks for 2019. Would have to be pretty brave not to.
Never pick a No. 1 ruckman from the year previous, they always dissapoint. Get a midfielder instead.
Ryder for me I think. Ryder and maybe Nic Nat depending on game time estimates.
Im not sold on Ryder but I did start Nic Nat this year and will consider him for next year.
Depending on prices will start 1 of Gawn, Grundy or Martin and then asses second ruck.
Barring injury I can't see a reason why Gawn or Grundy will slow down
Set and forget a real option next year
Instead of saving money by getting Goldy, Stef etc I think I'd rather do that in the mids because there will be sub 550k mids who are much better chances of turning into elite than there will be rucks
The midfield is more forgiving because there's 8 spots but not having the outright top two rucks has certainly cost me a lot this year
Thankful Goldy has turned it around but he still isn't anywhere near Gawn and Grundy
Long way to go before now and Round 1 though
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 13, 2018, 07:28:09 PM
Barring injury I can't see a reason why Gawn or Grundy will slow down
Set and forget a real option next year
Instead of saving money by getting Goldy, Stef etc I think I'd rather do that in the mids because there will be sub 550k mids who are much better chances of turning into elite than there will be rucks
The midfield is more forgiving because there's 8 spots but not having the outright top two rucks has certainly cost me a lot this year
Thankful Goldy has turned it around but he still isn't anywhere near Gawn and Grundy
Long way to go before now and Round 1 though
Agree that theres not much point picking guys like Stef, Goldy etc. based on this year, but I could see merit in picking two cheap-ish rucks (ala Sandi/Witts last year) which would allow people to upgrade to Gawn/Grundy/other rising super prem later in the year.
Of course, there has to be viable cheap-ish rucks to make that a possibility.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 13, 2018, 07:28:09 PM
Barring injury I can't see a reason why Gawn or Grundy will slow down
Set and forget a real option next year
Instead of saving money by getting Goldy, Stef etc I think I'd rather do that in the mids because there will be sub 550k mids who are much better chances of turning into elite than there will be rucks
The midfield is more forgiving because there's 8 spots but not having the outright top two rucks has certainly cost me a lot this year
Thankful Goldy has turned it around but he still isn't anywhere near Gawn and Grundy
Long way to go before now and Round 1 though
Goldy is a good example of a semi-inexplicable drop off.
Will Grundy & Gawn keep up their 125+ averages? Probably not.
Will they go 110ish and still be the top scoring rucks in 2019? At this stage, I think it's more likely than not.
It's the Danger question of 2019.
Let's consider Gawn and Grundy though
Gawn is a monster, 208cm and has a great midfield at his feet. When not injured he is the best ruck in the comp, so a drop off shouldn't really occur. He has great scoring history too.
Grundy is a 4th midfielder on top of his rucking, a ruck who not only averages 38 hitouts but also 21 touches, 13 CP's, 5 tackles, 5.5 clearances. He won't lose his ability to hunt the footy and dominate against the less mobile rucks. At 24 he will only get better.
I think both of these guys are a different story to Goldy. Goldy doesn't have the best mids at his feet, isn't the tallest ruck in the comp but when he was scoring well he was fit, had extreme work rate and dominated in the ruck. He's showing that ability again but his drop off can probably be acclaimed to his loss of passion for footy, the outside mental stuff he went through, and North not being as good a team among other reasons.
Anyway
I'll be locking in
Defence - Sam Docherty, Rory Laird, Zac Williams, Jake Lloyd
Mid - Tom Mitchell, Nathan Fyfe, Clayton Oliver (my only definite three mids), Tom Liberatore
Ruck - Gawn / Grundy
Forward - All dependent on who makes it.
Quote from: _wato on July 18, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Let's consider Gawn and Grundy though
Gawn is a monster, 208cm and has a great midfield at his feet. When not injured he is the best ruck in the comp, so a drop off shouldn't really occur. He has great scoring history too.
Grundy is a 4th midfielder on top of his rucking, a ruck who not only averages 38 hitouts but also 21 touches, 13 CP's, 5 tackles, 5.5 clearances. He won't lose his ability to hunt the footy and dominate against the less mobile rucks. At 24 he will only get better.
I think both of these guys are a different story to Goldy. Goldy doesn't have the best mids at his feet, isn't the tallest ruck in the comp but when he was scoring well he was fit, had extreme work rate and dominated in the ruck. He's showing that ability again but his drop off can probably be acclaimed to his loss of passion for footy, the outside mental stuff he went through, and North not being as good a team among other reasons.
Anyway
I'll be locking in
Defence - Sam Docherty, Rory Laird, Zac Williams, Jake Lloyd
Mid - Tom Mitchell, Nathan Fyfe, Clayton Oliver (my only definite three mids), Tom Liberatore
Ruck - Gawn / Grundy
Forward - All dependent on who makes it.
And further to that on Gawn and Grundy, here's the yearly Hitouts to Advantage stats after R17...
Gawn 264 @ 35.5%
Grundy 187 @ 31.0%
Goldy 184 @ 31.0%
Bellchambers 178 @ 37.9%
Martin 170 @ 30.4%
Jacobs 161 @ 27.5%
Witts 142 @ 24.0%
Sinclair 123 @ 25.4%
Nankervis 120 @ 30.5%
Ryder 110 @ 32.0%
Simpson 74 @ 41.1% (from 6 games)
Gawn is a lock and Grundy as second best plus his mobile midfield work is too.
Dawson Simpson as #1 starting ruck week in week out is food for thought. he got 36 hotouts at 47% this week and 122pts. His end of season now comes with a big watch on him. He is averaging 90 atm...12th best ruck ave, potentially the best of the cheaper options.
Grundy has also been durable over the last three years
Missed rd1 2016 then played 21 straight
Missed 2 rds in 2017 from suspension
Played every game so far this year.
Ruck coverage will probably be slim again next year so durability is worth the extra cash
Quote from: Gigantor on July 18, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
Grundy has also been durable over the last three years
Missed rd1 2016 then played 21 straight
Missed 2 rds in 2017 from suspension
Played every game so far this year.
Ruck coverage will probably be slim again next year so durability is worth the extra cash
If Grundy goes down between now and the end of the SC year it will be all your fault.
Quote from: enzedder on July 18, 2018, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 18, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
Grundy has also been durable over the last three years
Missed rd1 2016 then played 21 straight
Missed 2 rds in 2017 from suspension
Played every game so far this year.
Ruck coverage will probably be slim again next year so durability is worth the extra cash
If Grundy goes down between now and the end of the SC year it will be all your fault.
;D ;D ;D
This year has been such a disaster I've actually started looking forward to the carnage each week haha
Quote from: _wato on July 18, 2018, 11:35:31 AM
Let's consider Gawn and Grundy though
Gawn is a monster, 208cm and has a great midfield at his feet. When not injured he is the best ruck in the comp, so a drop off shouldn't really occur. He has great scoring history too.
Grundy is a 4th midfielder on top of his rucking, a ruck who not only averages 38 hitouts but also 21 touches, 13 CP's, 5 tackles, 5.5 clearances. He won't lose his ability to hunt the footy and dominate against the less mobile rucks. At 24 he will only get better.
I think both of these guys are a different story to Goldy. Goldy doesn't have the best mids at his feet, isn't the tallest ruck in the comp but when he was scoring well he was fit, had extreme work rate and dominated in the ruck. He's showing that ability again but his drop off can probably be acclaimed to his loss of passion for footy, the outside mental stuff he went through, and North not being as good a team among other reasons.
Im very likely starting Gawn Grundy but just a opinion on that comment in bold.
Cunnington is 3rd in the AFL in Clearances and top 10 in center clearances. Going top 5 in contested possessions. IN terms of best mids for rucks he is one of the elite.
Far better then anyone the pies have in this role. Higgins isnt too shabby either, probably better then everyone at the pies bar Adams.
Gawn is locked as Viney leads the comp in center clearances and Oliver is very good too.
Grundy value is in his possessions, as a actual ruck i think Goldy has a slight edge. Grundy smashes him as a mid though at this point in Goldy's career.
I reckon the mids have flower all impact on their scores
Gun rucks have HOTA rates and get around the ground well
I don't buy into the better mids at their feet argument
Obviously it doesn't hurt having them, but I don't honestly think it has a big influence on the rucks SC scoring
Agree entirely with RD and Wato, take the top two are save the trades and points. Clearances for Cunnington and Higgins don’t equate to points because they don’t carry the ball or hit targets often enough, compared to Fyfe, Mitchell, Beams etc. same starting philosophy for 2019 - four gun mids, though not sure on Fyfe yet, Gaff may take his spot.
If Preuss leaves for a starting gig at another club, then he will be too much value to ignore at R2.
Quote from: Spite on July 19, 2018, 03:52:53 PM
If Preuss leaves for a starting gig at another club, then he will be too much value to ignore at R2.
Agreed
Quote from: Ricochet on July 19, 2018, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Spite on July 19, 2018, 03:52:53 PM
If Preuss leaves for a starting gig at another club, then he will be too much value to ignore at R2.
Agreed
Yep Norf have a tough decision to make Preuss ain't going to keep playing VFL and be happy and Goldy is playing very well but getting nearer to the end 31 next year ...... watch this space.
Quote from: shaker on July 19, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 19, 2018, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Spite on July 19, 2018, 03:52:53 PM
If Preuss leaves for a starting gig at another club, then he will be too much value to ignore at R2.
Agreed
Yep Norf have a tough decision to make Preuss ain't going to keep playing VFL and be happy and Goldy is playing very well but getting nearer to the end 31 next year ...... watch this space.
Weren't we saying the same thing about Currie? Look how that turned out...
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on July 19, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
Quote from: shaker on July 19, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 19, 2018, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Spite on July 19, 2018, 03:52:53 PM
If Preuss leaves for a starting gig at another club, then he will be too much value to ignore at R2.
Agreed
Yep Norf have a tough decision to make Preuss ain't going to keep playing VFL and be happy and Goldy is playing very well but getting nearer to the end 31 next year ...... watch this space.
Weren't we saying the same thing about Currie? Look how that turned out...
True but if Preuss did move on I wouldn't be using him as R2 but he would be very handy on the bench ;)
Quote from: enzedder on July 18, 2018, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 18, 2018, 12:34:03 PM
Grundy has also been durable over the last three years
Missed rd1 2016 then played 21 straight
Missed 2 rds in 2017 from suspension
Played every game so far this year.
Ruck coverage will probably be slim again next year so durability is worth the extra cash
If Grundy goes down between now and the end of the SC year it will be all your fault.
Not that I want it to happen but gee that would make the finals better for me. I only play one cash league and currently about I am undefeated and 1000 points clear. Come finals time none of it matters.
As an aside my research indicated that over the past 3/4 years there is 500-600 point difference between top 2/3 rucks and the rest. Getting your rucks right has a huge impact on your overall due to the point difference and the additional captain and VC options you have. This year not having Grundy hurt big time.
Quote from: shaker on July 19, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on July 19, 2018, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: Spite on July 19, 2018, 03:52:53 PM
If Preuss leaves for a starting gig at another club, then he will be too much value to ignore at R2.
Agreed
Yep Norf have a tough decision to make Preuss ain't going to keep playing VFL and be happy and Goldy is playing very well but getting nearer to the end 31 next year ...... watch this space.
Preuss is contracted til 2020, so Norf is in the box seat.
I know it’s super early but I have a donut in defence because of Savage so my rank will plummet and no chance in any leagues.
Next year I am going super safe, don’t give a shower if there’s a midpiced guy who’s tempting just look at Armo Cyril Bonner etc none worked out.
Will look at byes before starting my team too, got crunched this year not taking them into account.
DEF - Docherty, Laird, Lloyd
MID - Danger, Titch, Crouch, Oliver, Kelly/Zerrett/Zorko
RUC - Gawn, Grundy
FWD: No idea
Quote from: _wato on August 06, 2018, 02:35:39 AM
I know it’s super early but I have a donut in defence because of Savage so my rank will plummet and no chance in any leagues.
Next year I am going super safe, don’t give a shower if there’s a midpiced guy who’s tempting just look at Armo Cyril Bonner etc none worked out.
Will look at byes before starting my team too, got crunched this year not taking them into account.
DEF - Docherty, Laird, Lloyd
MID - Danger, Titch, Crouch, Oliver, Kelly/Zerrett/Zorko
RUC - Gawn, Grundy
FWD: No idea
Can't argue with much there. I'll still look at guys returning from injury like Libba, Brad Crouch and Zac Williams but definitely no "potential breakouts" I already think Short and Gresham could be great pickups back and forward but it's not worth the risk.
No injury prone premos either. As much as I love guys like Fyfe it's just not worth it for the money when he never plays a full season.
So far my team will look something like
D: Docherty, Laird, Lloyd, Z.Williams
M: Danger, Mitchell, Oliver, Cripps, B.Crouch/Libba
R: Gawn, Grundy
F: Dusty, Bont (probably dreaming here)
Quote from: quinny88 on August 06, 2018, 03:55:22 AM
Quote from: _wato on August 06, 2018, 02:35:39 AM
I know it’s super early but I have a donut in defence because of Savage so my rank will plummet and no chance in any leagues.
Next year I am going super safe, don’t give a shower if there’s a midpiced guy who’s tempting just look at Armo Cyril Bonner etc none worked out.
Will look at byes before starting my team too, got crunched this year not taking them into account.
DEF - Docherty, Laird, Lloyd
MID - Danger, Titch, Crouch, Oliver, Kelly/Zerrett/Zorko
RUC - Gawn, Grundy
FWD: No idea
Can't argue with much there. I'll still look at guys returning from injury like Libba, Brad Crouch and Zac Williams but definitely no "potential breakouts" I already think Short and Gresham could be great pickups back and forward but it's not worth the risk.
No injury prone premos either. As much as I love guys like Fyfe it's just not worth it for the money when he never plays a full season.
So far my team will look something like
D: Docherty, Laird, Lloyd, Z.Williams
M: Danger, Mitchell, Oliver, Cripps, B.Crouch/Libba
R: Gawn, Grundy
F: Dusty, Bont (probably dreaming here)
ZWilliams is a lock actually, simply because he is young and has had premium years in the past, one shock injury shouldn't change much. BCrouch I won't touch, 56 games since 2013 means he's missed 76 games in that period and what's his role? A lot of Adelaide mids. Libba is probably the only other guy I'd touch but depends on his price.. Could be a handy stepping stone.
Toby Greene anyone?
If he doesn't play again will be priced 360k if they give him a discount. Only 400k without a discount which is still good
Quote from: Gigantor on August 06, 2018, 11:23:00 AM
Toby Greene anyone?
If he doesn't play again will be priced 360k if they give him a discount. Only 400k without a discount which is still good
At that price definitely.
For defence I'd be giving Whitfield serious consideration.
Actually Whitfield at around 550k makes much more sense than Lloyd at 600k.
Greene would be a great pickup, but he won't play 22.
Def: Docherty, Z. Williams, Whitfield, Laird?
Mid: Titch, Oliver, Cripps, Liberatore, Zerrett?
Ruck: Gawn or Grundy + hopefully a Preuss type.
Fwd: Dangerfield, Martin, Bontempelli, Dunkley?, De Goey?, Daniher?, Greene?
Found this on the Flogfooty forum. Thought I'd use it here.
Pattern:
Every 18 points average difference = ~100k price difference.
Every 5 points = ~28k
Every 2.5 points = ~14k
Every 1 point = ~5k
2017 Ave - 2018 starting price:
136 - 750k
118.4 - 650k
114.7 - 630k
111 - 610k
110 - 605k
109 - 599k
107.5 - 591k
105 - 577k
102.5 - 564k
101.5 - 558k
100 - 550k
97.5 - 535k
95 - 522k
92.5 - 508k
90 - 494k
87.5 - 481k
85 - 467k
82.5 - 454k
80 - 440k
So based on this and current players averages
Titch - 728k
Grundy - 707k
Gawn - 700k
Macrae - 686k
Cripps - 665k
Kelly - 653k
Danger/Fyfe - 645k
Oliver - 632k
Treloar 602k
Lloyd/Yeo - 600k
Gaff/Neale - 595k
Laird/Duncan - 590k
Sicily - 577k
Dusty - 565k
Bont - 555k
Zorko/Zerrett/M Crouch/Goldy/Gray - ~550k
Docherty (with 15%)/TMac/Heeney/Menegola - 535-540k
JPK - 525k
Sloane - 518k
Hurley - 515k
Ryder - 485k
ZWilliams (15%)/Kreuzer - 440k
Billings 430k
T Lynch/Dahlhaus - 425k
JJK - 405k
Greene - 398k 7 games so injury discount? Could be as low as 360k.
Houli - 390k
Tex Walker - 355k
Dan Hannebery - 340k!!!
Anyway thought this was interesting! Opening my eyes to some prospective bargains and guys to steer clear of.
Also I'm sure some of these calculations are out but ball park figure.
Quote from: _wato on August 06, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
Found this on the Flogfooty forum. Thought I'd use it here.
Pattern:
Every 18 points average difference = ~100k price difference.
Every 5 points = ~28k
Every 2.5 points = ~14k
Every 1 point = ~5k
The magic number this year was 5497
That means $5497 for every point of average
Danger 5497*136.4 = $749,800
If a player has played 7 or less then discounts get applied
The magic number used to be around the 5400 mark but really jumped this year, will be interesting to see what they set it at for 2019
Interesting note is they use a lower magic number during the year to calculate price changes.
So if Danger had scored 136.6 in every match this year his price still would have slowly gone down
D: Docherty, Laird, Lloyd (One of Williams, Simmo and Sicily)
M: Titch, Danger, Oliver, Kelly, Cripps (Crouch if I need a cheaper option)
R: Gawn, Grundy (Doesn't matter what they cost - set and forget)
F: No idea yet, Gray and Hoff solid but probably have the crap bye again
Quote from: Gigantor on August 06, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: _wato on August 06, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
Found this on the Flogfooty forum. Thought I'd use it here.
Pattern:
Every 18 points average difference = ~100k price difference.
Every 5 points = ~28k
Every 2.5 points = ~14k
Every 1 point = ~5k
The magic number this year was 5497
That means $5497 for every point of average
Danger 5497*136.4 = $749,800
If a player has played 7 or less then discounts get applied
The magic number used to be around the 5400 mark but really jumped this year, will be interesting to see what they set it at for 2019
Interesting note is they use a lower magic number during the year to calculate price changes.
So if Danger had scored 136.6 in every match this year his price still would have slowly gone down
It’s a rolling magic number, it’s not set. It drops because the 123k rookies rocket in price and there is a finite amount of money in the game. The magic number keeps the numbers balanced, as all risers each week will equal the fallers.
There’s a few extra things too, but ill let them go for now. :)
Quote from: Spite on August 07, 2018, 04:44:44 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on August 06, 2018, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: _wato on August 06, 2018, 04:30:34 PM
Found this on the Flogfooty forum. Thought I'd use it here.
Pattern:
Every 18 points average difference = ~100k price difference.
Every 5 points = ~28k
Every 2.5 points = ~14k
Every 1 point = ~5k
The magic number this year was 5497
That means $5497 for every point of average
Danger 5497*136.4 = $749,800
If a player has played 7 or less then discounts get applied
The magic number used to be around the 5400 mark but really jumped this year, will be interesting to see what they set it at for 2019
Interesting note is they use a lower magic number during the year to calculate price changes.
So if Danger had scored 136.6 in every match this year his price still would have slowly gone down
It’s a rolling magic number, it’s not set. It drops because the 123k rookies rocket in price and there is a finite amount of money in the game. The magic number keeps the numbers balanced, as all risers each week will equal the fallers.
There’s a few extra things too, but ill let them go for now. :)
Haha I thought that finite money thing was a myth :P
But yeah I've noticed the magic number varies a fair bit, 4800-5200 range
What I was trying to explain was it's tough for a premo to maintain their starting price
Going to be hard to find def keepers under 500.
Grundy and Gawn really is set and forget. Just too much difference to the next ruck down. Only possibility is a youngun getting a crack or someone who has been backup for years getting first ruck (eg Witts).
Still comes down to money. Balancing the risk v reward. This year didnt start Dusty, too high a price and always variable. Bought him in round 3. (Sucked in again). Danger has been only reasonable and poor investment if you started him.
2019 Framework
1 of (Laird, Docherty) probably Doc, ZWilliams, 1 of LLoyd, Simmo, Sicily, Then depends on funds.
Titch, Danger, Kelly, Oliver, Cripps are the stand outs, you cannot really start all of them.
Gawn, Grundy, Goldy as backup
Fwds.
Dusty Heeney Bont, Sicily
Laird Andrews Docherty ZWilliams....3 pick themselves. Harris wont be discounted but due to a slowish start, injury affected score and a need to hit form again he's going to be the best value at the top end premo level. Witherden is another I like.
Titch Fyfe Cripps JKelly Oliver... The best IMO.
Grundy...or Gawn... but maybe just the one and get a cheapie who will make $ and play at R2. We'll see.
Danger Heeney Greene...will Danger get it? Probably not. Forwards will be interesting again. They killed me this year. Greene has only played 7 to date and averaging 72. No matter what he'll be value. Heeney is locked.
Tom Scully is hopeful of making a return still but even if he doesn’t he’ll be at a discounted price in 2019.
So is he worth it at a lowish 400k price. Reckon he is.
Matt Crouch an absolute certainty to make my starting team next year.
Quote from: _wato on August 19, 2018, 07:09:08 PM
Matt Crouch an absolute certainty to make my starting team next year.
Merrett and Crouch pissed me off all year but I'll still be tempted by both.
Both had very solid 2nd halves of the year
@FantasyFreako
Patrick Dangerfield's role during the finals series will determine if he becomes a DPP in 2019. He's close based on current numbers. #SuperCoach #AFLFantasy
Libba surely
Doch surely
Chances of Parker regaining fwd status?
DEF: Docherty, Laird, Lloyd, Williams.
MID: TMitchell, Danger, Cripps, Oliver (3 of). Will probably start both MCrouch and ZMerrett at M4/5 to accommodate the rucks. Both injury affected seasons but finished strongly and way underpriced.
RUC: Gawn and Grundy - throw the key away.
FWD: Who knows, Greene/Daniher/JJK will be dirt cheap. Dunkley?
Am super bored at work so was having a bit of a look at some potential discounts
(http://i66.tinypic.com/htbmtt.jpg)
Some of the discounts I've based on previous years data but they have tweaked the discount rules every year for about 4 years now so take them with a grain of salt :P
They will ignore Sully's and Libba's solitary games and base their prices on 2017 averages
Greene and Roberton I believe won't receive a discount as their average this year was already low
The three guys in yellow will only get 20% despite missing the whole year as SC don't want them to be auto picks in every team, they do have precedent with this , NicNat for example.
Doch still a lock but Williams at 413k has some question marks, which is exactly what they are aiming for.
Good work G. Do not see Docherty getting down to 504k as will be auto start in every team, even at 550k will start him though.
Not many in that list I find attractive.
Maybe libba, williams, greene; after selecting the full price prems first and seeing how much cash is left.
Quote from: crowls on August 29, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
Good work G. Do not see Docherty getting down to 504k as will be auto start in every team, even at 550k will start him though.
Not many in that list I find attractive.
Maybe libba, williams, greene; after selecting the full price prems first and seeing how much cash is left.
Yeah unless there is no rookies come round one most of these aren't that appealing.
I'm pretty confident that Doch will be that price unless they change the rules. Nic Nat averaged 105.9 in 2016, missed all of 2017 and they gave him a 20% discount.
In the old days it was just a blanket 40% after a year off, could you imagine if Doch was 378k haha :P
Quote from: Gigantor on August 29, 2018, 02:39:50 PM
Quote from: crowls on August 29, 2018, 12:59:34 PM
Good work G. Do not see Docherty getting down to 504k as will be auto start in every team, even at 550k will start him though.
Not many in that list I find attractive.
Maybe libba, williams, greene; after selecting the full price prems first and seeing how much cash is left.
Yeah unless there is no rookies come round one most of these aren't that appealing.
I'm pretty confident that Doch will be that price unless they change the rules. Nic Nat averaged 105.9 in 2016, missed all of 2017 and they gave him a 20% discount.
In the old days it was just a blanket 40% after a year off, could you imagine if Doch was 378k haha :P
be pretty funny seeing a guy in 100% of teams
Leading kick-to-self players this season after a kick-in - Hurn 53, Witherden 52, Simpson 49, Shaw 48 and Lloyd 44.
Kick-ins Rule change for 2019
At kick-ins, a player will no longer need to kick to himself to play on from the goalsquare.
Following a behind, the man on the mark will be brought out to 10m from the top of the goalsquare, rather than the existing five metres.
Get some of the above in ya team then.
Gee that rule change is really going to affect defenders in Supercoach!
I guess every possession out of the goal square after a behind will count as a stat now? Or only if they run outside the square?
Quote from: jfitty on October 11, 2018, 04:11:14 PM
Gee that rule change is really going to affect defenders in Supercoach!
I guess every possession out of the goal square after a behind will count as a stat now? Or only if they run outside the square?
My guess would be only if they run out of the square. But given they don't have to kick it to themselves now, this will probably be more common and more often than not, players will play on from a kick-in imo.
Have my Saints goggles on but I may start Jack Steele in 2019.
38th on total points as a midfielder in SC in 2018. (1983pts from 21 games)
46th on ave as a midfielder in SC in 2018. (94.4)
Last 5 game average of 117.6
Last 10 game average of 110.2
He is the Saints #1 tagger now but he is also an offensive one who wins his share of the ball.
In the last ten rounds he mostly tagged but had some games just playing as an inside mid.
GC no tag 21 possessions 96 points
Melb Oliver 20 possessions and 104pts
Port Wines 26 possessions and 81 pts
Carl Cripps 33 possessions and 144pts
Rich Cotchin/Martin 25/89pts
GWS Ward 24/81
WB Macrae 21/118
Ess no tag 31/ 128
Haw Mitchell 29/121
NM no tag 35/140
They are some good numbers anyway you look at it. He is an inside beast and a tackling machine. His game is well suited to SC.
Next year will be his fifth season. He's 23 in December and with 58 games behind him he's well poised to average 100+ next year. Hannebery's addition shouldn't impact his game as Steele should continue on in the role he had this year.
The last 10 game average of 110.2 when stacked against whole season averages places him 9th on the midfield list of players.
Whilst that isn't a fair thing to do it does represent good value for 2019.
^
Billy Slater with him all preseason. he'll be killing cows
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Quote from: Gigantor on October 14, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Grundy R1 Preuss R2 and load up on other lines?
Still too far to tell. Ask again in 5 months time
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2018, 01:20:00 AM
Quote from: Gigantor on October 14, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Grundy R1 Preuss R2 and load up on other lines?
Still too far to tell. Ask again in 5 months time
Thought Hickey might be of more interest. Will be number 1 ruck, not sure on price though.
Quote from: SilverLion on October 14, 2018, 02:14:22 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on October 14, 2018, 01:20:00 AM
Quote from: Gigantor on October 14, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Grundy R1 Preuss R2 and load up on other lines?
Still too far to tell. Ask again in 5 months time
Thought Hickey might be of more interest. Will be number 1 ruck, not sure on price though.
Averaged 90 and played enough games not to get a discount so probably not viable
Grundy Goldy combo anyone ?
Quote from: Gigantor on October 14, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Only way I can see them playing together would be if Hogan went to Freo and then 1 of TMac/Weid gets injured
Quote from: Big Mac on October 15, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on October 14, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Only way I can see them playing together would be if Hogan went to Freo and then 1 of TMac/Weid gets injured
Yeah but you guys must have sold something to Preuss to get him to leave.
Quote from: Gigantor on October 15, 2018, 02:20:16 PM
Quote from: Big Mac on October 15, 2018, 01:16:25 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on October 14, 2018, 12:13:39 AM
So if Preuss line up Rd1 do we pick Gawn? Or what about Preuss himself
Gawn ~700k
Preuss ~243k (if he gets a 30% discount)
Only way I can see them playing together would be if Hogan went to Freo and then 1 of TMac/Weid gets injured
Yeah but you guys must have sold something to Preuss to get him to leave.
Gets to learn from the best tap ruckman in the business :)
Following trading looking at which players may benefit and could up last years averages.
Zach Merrett - Will the arrival of Shiel take some pressure off hom.
Setterfield if he reatains DPP should be an absolute lock as he will be in blues best 22.
Anthony Miles - With the suns and their losses could he be a solid mid priced mid and get back to his 2014 - 2016 averages, Price should be discounted even further and not much more than the early draftees.
Dayne Zorko - Will Neale now attract the tag and free him or will clubs leave Neale and still tag Zorko.
Aaron Hall - With Kangas saying he will have an inside mid role. Not confident but probably one to watch in the JLT.
Have a big question mark on Tom Lynch at Tigers though.
I don't think you understand the SuperCoach pricing Ringo as Anthony Miles shouldn't be that cheap. He should be priced at his 90 average with a 30% discount for only playing the one game. Likely about 350k.
Quote from: Ringo on October 19, 2018, 11:59:23 AM
Following trading looking at which players may benefit and could up last years averages.
Zach Merrett - Will the arrival of Shiel take some pressure off hom.
Setterfield if he reatains DPP should be an absolute lock as he will be in blues best 22.
Anthony Miles - With the suns and their losses could he be a solid mid priced mid and get back to his 2014 - 2016 averages, Price should be discounted even further and not much more than the early draftees.
Dayne Zorko - Will Neale now attract the tag and free him or will clubs leave Neale and still tag Zorko.
Aaron Hall - With Kangas saying he will have an inside mid role. Not confident but probably one to watch in the JLT.
Have a big question mark on Tom Lynch at Tigers though.
Merrett - reckon he is a better pick now.
Setterfield - Lock if named up and going in R1.
Miles - watch in NAB...likely pick.
Zorko - no real difference as I see it. Not for me.
Hall - watch in NAB. Maybe pick.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-19/fantasy-players-to-watch-from-the-trade-period
Beams - should go about the same....a lot of Pies to go through that midfield but he'll get amongst it.
Neale - should still be a good pick... always racks up the possies.
Shiel - not for SC... Zerrett should fare better.
Setterfield - as above...Lock.
Hannebery - 59.8 average will in all likelihood see him priced around 320-330k. Gut says no but NAB may show otherwise. Watch.
Wingard - As a forward probably a very safe pick...see how much mid time he gets at the hawks in the NAB.
Miles - as above...likely.
Lynch - No.
Hall - Depends on midfield time at the Roos. At 320k (basing that price on Brayshaw 316k 72 ave 5 games 2017 compared to Hall's- 72 ave 6 games in 2018 so pretty similar) If he's scoring 100s in the NAB he'll be hard to pass up. Same as Hanners.
Hogan - not for me.
Newman - not if he's only a mid.
Preuss - will have to wait and see what unfolds between him and Gawn.
Can anyone give me an idea of what prices the following will be for 2019?
A.Miles (GC)
B.Crouch (ADL)
T.Liberatore (WB)