Thoughts on libba? Is he possibly a potential top 20-30 this year?
Think he can hit 90 but for the same money you can get Coniglio, for 120k cheaper you could also get O'Meara.
I'm more than keen to take the shot on Libba, but it's looking difficult this year with so many other options for that M5/6 spot
All reports are that he is back to his best and switched on - if he comes out and has two ripper JLT performances then he is going to be hard for me to ignore because if he is in fact back to his best than 105-110 is possible, but it's the IF that we need to wait and see on
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 01:26:09 PM
I'm more than keen to take the shot on Libba, but it's looking difficult this year with so many other options for that M5/6 spot
All reports are that he is back to his best and switched on - if he comes out and has two ripper JLT performances then he is going to be hard for me to ignore because if he is in fact back to his best than 105-110 is possible, but it's the IF that we need to wait and see on
Has never hit 100 post knee surgery. Only averaged 90 in the Dogs premiership year. The hype around him is due to his low base, got dropped to the seconds and averaged a pathetic 79.
Defintely on the watch list but with Coniglio at the same price and players like O'meara and Griffen for 150k cheaper it will be hard for him to find a spot in my side.
Quote from: Bully on February 27, 2018, 01:48:38 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 01:26:09 PM
I'm more than keen to take the shot on Libba, but it's looking difficult this year with so many other options for that M5/6 spot
All reports are that he is back to his best and switched on - if he comes out and has two ripper JLT performances then he is going to be hard for me to ignore because if he is in fact back to his best than 105-110 is possible, but it's the IF that we need to wait and see on
Has never hit 100 post knee surgery. Only averaged 90 in the Dogs premiership year. The hype around him is due to his low base, got dropped to the seconds and averaged a pathetic 79.
His last 2 years have been poor, no doubt about it but I definitely and not putting that down to a knee op - you could see his attitude and problems were the results of his performances
If he is switched on, then we could see 105+ again
Grabbing a couple of Libba, Coniglio, Redden, Omeara, Griffen will make someone's season. Picking the right ones is the hard part. Think I'll just get none and then sook all year that I could have had the one or 2 that dominate haha. I rather that than picking the wrong ones and it derailing my season from the start
Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
Grabbing a couple of Libba, Coniglio, Redden, Omeara, Griffen will make someone's season. Picking the right ones is the hard part. Think I'll just get none and then sook all year that I could have had the one or 2 that dominate haha. I rather that than picking the wrong ones and it derailing my season from the start
I might just start with Danger at M1 followed by all of those guys
Go with 6 prem defenders, 6 prem forwards and 2 prem rucks ;D
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
Grabbing a couple of Libba, Coniglio, Redden, Omeara, Griffen will make someone's season. Picking the right ones is the hard part. Think I'll just get none and then sook all year that I could have had the one or 2 that dominate haha. I rather that than picking the wrong ones and it derailing my season from the start
I might just start with Danger at M1 followed by all of those guys
Go with 6 prem defenders, 6 prem forwards and 2 prem rucks ;D
There's a unique team might just work ;D
Quote from: shaker on February 27, 2018, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
Grabbing a couple of Libba, Coniglio, Redden, Omeara, Griffen will make someone's season. Picking the right ones is the hard part. Think I'll just get none and then sook all year that I could have had the one or 2 that dominate haha. I rather that than picking the wrong ones and it derailing my season from the start
I might just start with Danger at M1 followed by all of those guys
Go with 6 prem defenders, 6 prem forwards and 2 prem rucks ;D
There's a unique team might just work ;D
I dare ya! Haha
Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: shaker on February 27, 2018, 04:18:57 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 27, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
Grabbing a couple of Libba, Coniglio, Redden, Omeara, Griffen will make someone's season. Picking the right ones is the hard part. Think I'll just get none and then sook all year that I could have had the one or 2 that dominate haha. I rather that than picking the wrong ones and it derailing my season from the start
I might just start with Danger at M1 followed by all of those guys
Go with 6 prem defenders, 6 prem forwards and 2 prem rucks ;D
There's a unique team might just work ;D
I dare ya! Haha
Its not as easy as it sounds haha
Laird, Hibberd, Simpson, Shaw, Sicily, Doedee (Dawson, Finlayson)
Danger, Conigs, Redden, Libba, JOM, Griffen, Graham, Kelly (Barry, Worpel, Holman)
Goldy, Gawn (Olango)
Heeney, Billings, McLean, Smith, Bundy, Fritsch (Garlett, Venables)
56k left
If Conigs, Redden and Libba went 100+ and JOM, Griff and Graham went 90+ the 50k would be in the bag haha
I will seriously consider starting this side
(https://i.imgur.com/jT4SogI.png)
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 05:36:28 PM
I will seriously consider starting this side
(https://i.imgur.com/jT4SogI.png)
I dunno. I've got a similar backline and only one less premo fwd. Also Danger,Cripps and JOM
So it's Titch,Merrett,Fyfe and 200 k rookie vs
Redden,Libba,Coniglio and Griffen
115 + 110 + 120 + 70 vs
100 + 100 + 100 + 85 IF they all fire
So an extra 30 points to be made up by say Dahl over a rookie.
Not much difference even best case scenario AND u would have to upgrade Griff and at least 2 others leaving the best at M8.
Could miss out on a mid rookie as well.
Not against this strategy and I've thought about it as well. Might have a crack at finding a similar structure with more points potential.
Yeah it was just done for a bit of fun, but the overall structure is worth considering I think
I actually just changed Cripps to Fyfe, because if I was going to actually try something like this Danger and Fyfe are musts
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 27, 2018, 06:24:08 PM
Yeah it was just done for a bit of fun, but the overall structure is worth considering I think
I actually just changed Cripps to Fyfe, because if I was going to actually try something like this Danger and Fyfe are musts
Yeah it is fun lol. I'm trying a team like that right now.
Libba, Redden, Coniglio. These picks rarely work out. Best case scenario they do average 105 (unlikely), that was still only good enough for 19th in the competition out of all midfielders in 2017. Then you consider that blokes like JPK, Gibbs, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Parker, Cripps, Rockliff etc all averaged below that last year, and the competition will be even greater.
How many people were considering Redden before his 162 in a meaningless JLT game? Libba before an article came out saying that he dominated an intra-club game? Not many. The midfield is not the place to muck around, guns and rooks is the way to go.
That's almost exactly my team haha. I suck at this game so it's obviously a bad idea there RD.
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
Libba, Redden, Coniglio. These picks rarely work out. Best case scenario they do average 105 (unlikely), that was still only good enough for 19th in the competition out of all midfielders in 2017. Then you consider that blokes like JPK, Gibbs, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Parker, Cripps, Rockliff etc all averaged below that last year, and the competition will be even greater.
How many people were considering Redden before his 162 in a meaningless JLT game? Libba before an article came out saying that he dominated an intra-club game? Not many. The midfield is not the place to muck around, guns and rooks is the way to go.
Last year there was Kelly, Murphy & Oliver. Had you nailed those selections you would have been laughing. I would argue that spending top dollar on Mitchell & Martin carries a greater risk because you are almost guaranteed to lose money. The three mentioned above didn't once dip below their starting price.
Quote from: Bully on February 27, 2018, 07:56:19 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
Libba, Redden, Coniglio. These picks rarely work out. Best case scenario they do average 105 (unlikely), that was still only good enough for 19th in the competition out of all midfielders in 2017. Then you consider that blokes like JPK, Gibbs, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Parker, Cripps, Rockliff etc all averaged below that last year, and the competition will be even greater.
How many people were considering Redden before his 162 in a meaningless JLT game? Libba before an article came out saying that he dominated an intra-club game? Not many. The midfield is not the place to muck around, guns and rooks is the way to go.
Last year there was Kelly, Murphy & Oliver. Had you nailed those selections you would have been laughing. I would argue that spending top dollar on Mitchell & Martin carries a greater risk because you are almost guaranteed to lose money. The three mentioned above didn't once dip below their starting price.
Good luck nailing guys like that again. It's not like Murphy was a proven premo who was coming off an injury affected season or anything, same goes for Ebert, and Gibbs the year before. Dangerfield, Martin and Mitchell are all certainties to at least maintain their averages, and will most likely improve on them. All of the defender and forward rookies that line up in round one will average at least 70 with rock solid JS, and upgrading them to premos will be a walk in the park. And if you haven't worked it out by now, I am saying this with tongue firmly in my cheek.
I do find it slightly amusing how Libba and Redden's ownership has shot up 3-4% over the last week and a bit however.
I prefer Prestia for around the same price as Libba.
Was considering him or Redden (before his 162 JLT game).
The hard part is to find this years Kelly/Oliver/Murphy out of all the options.
Quote from: Bully on February 27, 2018, 07:56:19 PM
Last year there was Kelly, Murphy & Oliver.
This year there is Redden, Libba & Taranto.
With Stringer a close 4th.
All you experts will be eating your hats when Lachie Weller averages 108. GC got a bargain.
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
Libba, Redden, Coniglio. These picks rarely work out. Best case scenario they do average 105 (unlikely), that was still only good enough for 19th in the competition out of all midfielders in 2017. Then you consider that blokes like JPK, Gibbs, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Parker, Cripps, Rockliff etc all averaged below that last year, and the competition will be even greater.
How many people were considering Redden before his 162 in a meaningless JLT game? Libba before an article came out saying that he dominated an intra-club game? Not many. The midfield is not the place to muck around, guns and rooks is the way to go.
His coach's pressor was glowing
Quote from: frenzy on February 27, 2018, 10:01:03 PM
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
Libba, Redden, Coniglio. These picks rarely work out. Best case scenario they do average 105 (unlikely), that was still only good enough for 19th in the competition out of all midfielders in 2017. Then you consider that blokes like JPK, Gibbs, Jelwood, Beams, Treloar, Parker, Cripps, Rockliff etc all averaged below that last year, and the competition will be even greater.
How many people were considering Redden before his 162 in a meaningless JLT game? Libba before an article came out saying that he dominated an intra-club game? Not many. The midfield is not the place to muck around, guns and rooks is the way to go.
His coach's pressor was glowing
Yep, Simmo said Redden has been the standout of the preseason more or less
Still, I think 100-105 would be his ceiling in terms of average. Would love for him to prove me wrong though
Quote from: Adamant on February 27, 2018, 06:47:51 PM
How many people were considering Redden before his 162 in a meaningless JLT game?
Meeeeeeeeeeeee
Redden has proven he can be elite in the past, struggled to break into West Coast mids past 2 years, no more Priddis and Mitchell, Mitchell is basically his midfield coach...what's not to like/love?
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 27, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Redden has proven he can be elite in the past, struggled to break into West Coast mids past 2 years, no more Priddis and Mitchell, Mitchell is basically his midfield coach...what's not to like/love?
+1
Exactly what I was thinking. He will kill it this year!
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 27, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Redden has proven he can be elite in the past, struggled to break into West Coast mids past 2 years, no more Priddis and Mitchell, Mitchell is basically his midfield coach...what's not to like/love?
Has Redden been elite? Highest average of 103, not sure that would be good enough considering the downside.
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 27, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Redden has proven he can be elite in the past, struggled to break into West Coast mids past 2 years, no more Priddis and Mitchell, Mitchell is basically his midfield coach...what's not to like/love?
Has Redden been elite? Highest average of 103, not sure that would be good enough considering the downside.
Looking at his stats last year he got a fair bit in the mids in the 2nd half of season still some underwhelming scores , might improve some but I guess he is as good a pick as others in the cheaper bracket
Quote from: shaker on February 28, 2018, 07:52:04 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 27, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Redden has proven he can be elite in the past, struggled to break into West Coast mids past 2 years, no more Priddis and Mitchell, Mitchell is basically his midfield coach...what's not to like/love?
Has Redden been elite? Highest average of 103, not sure that would be good enough considering the downside.
Looking at his stats last year he got a fair bit in the mids in the 2nd half of season still some underwhelming scores , might improve some but I guess he is as good a pick as others in the cheaper bracket
Career best average of 103, whilst Conigs has a 106 and more upside and Libba has 106 and 110
I'd love to see Redden beast it, but the likeliness of him going 105+ might not be too high and anything under is not good enough to be in your final 8 mids
I don't have Liberatore in my team as of now. But that will change as soon as he posts back to back 140's in the upcoming JLT games.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 28, 2018, 08:38:58 AM
Quote from: shaker on February 28, 2018, 07:52:04 AM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 12:07:04 AM
Quote from: jvalles69 on February 27, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Redden has proven he can be elite in the past, struggled to break into West Coast mids past 2 years, no more Priddis and Mitchell, Mitchell is basically his midfield coach...what's not to like/love?
Has Redden been elite? Highest average of 103, not sure that would be good enough considering the downside.
Looking at his stats last year he got a fair bit in the mids in the 2nd half of season still some underwhelming scores , might improve some but I guess he is as good a pick as others in the cheaper bracket
Career best average of 103, whilst Conigs has a 106 and more upside and Libba has 106 and 110
I'd love to see Redden beast it, but the likeliness of him going 105+ might not be too high and anything under is not good enough to be in your final 8 mids
Possibly more suited to AF, will have to think long and hard if I bring him in, after r15 he was fairly consistent without the high tackle numbers so definitely room for improvement.
Cogs>Redden>Liberatore
And if JOM is in the mix, would be difficult start more than 2/4.
Just don't understand the logic of the $450k mid this year. Realistically the chance of Libba or Coniglio or Redden averaging over 105 and being top position midfielders is pretty slim so the best realistic outcome you can hope for is that you make $100k and then side trade to a fallen premium. But with good value available at lower prices, it makes a lot more sense to me to start with the guys who you know are going to be 115 for the season and pick up players who'll generate more cash (and faster) for less.
I think the Clayton Oliver phenomenon has thrown a few people. Thing is that if it were that easy to spot when a $450k mid will become a top position player, everybody would have started with Clarry last year. Remember you can always trade a player in.
A 450 k player doesn't have to average 105+ to be worth it. 100 will make money and score above starting price giving u bang for your buck.
In Def or fwd 95 average for 450 k is a huge yes. True, they become a keeper and save a trade. But any player that averages 100 for 450 k is great value anywhere even if it requires a trade to fallen/breakout premium.
The bonus is instead of trying to pick every single top mid 1 - 5/6 u get to see who is smashing it and trade them in using your stepping stone who has made 100 k.
The hard part is picking who are the 450k players who will average 100.
I am running with JOM who can get to 90+ average for 135 k less. But if I were to look at a 450k it would be Prestia.
I always go by the same rule of only picking midpricers that I think can become keepers. Never works out for me otherwise.
Rarely works for me anyway lol
Midprice picks need to be worth it overall. I always look for 2 of 3 requirements.
1 - Do I believe that they have potential to be a top premium.
Def - Top 6 (94.1)
Mid - Top 10 (110)
Ruck - Top 2 (103)
Fwd - Top 6 (93)
2 - If they don't become a top premium, would I be happy with them as last position on field on that line. Do I think they have a good chance to hit that average.
My general rule of thumb is
Def - Top 15 (88.6)
Mid - Top 20 (102.4)
Ruck - Top 6 (95.2)
Fwd - Top 15 (87)
3 - If they don't hit my premium mark, will they make enough cash & points to be worth more than a rookie.
Petracca is a good example.
1 - No, I don't believe he is a good chance to increase from 78 to 93 and do it consistently
2 - Realistically I believe 87 is possible, but a low chance, likely average 80-90
3 - If he doesn't hit 87 will he make enough cash or points. (priced 78, if hits 85 he makes $35k-$40k) with a +7 points per game over cost. Base for Fwd rookie is $150k & +25 points (Implied 30 PPG cost)
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 01, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
Midprice picks need to be worth it overall. I always look for 2 of 3 requirements.
1 - Do I believe that they have potential to be a top premium.
Def - Top 6 (94.1)
Mid - Top 10 (110)
Ruck - Top 2 (103)
Fwd - Top 6 (93)
2 - If they don't become a top premium, would I be happy with them as last position on field on that line. Do I think they have a good chance to hit that average.
My general rule of thumb is
Def - Top 15 (88.6)
Mid - Top 20 (102.4)
Ruck - Top 6 (95.2)
Fwd - Top 15 (87)
3 - If they don't hit my premium mark, will they make enough cash & points to be worth more than a rookie.
Petracca is a good example.
1 - No, I don't believe he is a good chance to increase from 78 to 93 and do it consistently
2 - Realistically I believe 87 is possible, but a low chance, likely average 80-90
3 - If he doesn't hit 87 will he make enough cash or points. (priced 78, if hits 85 he makes $35k-$40k) with a +7 points per game over cost. Base for Fwd rookie is $150k & +25 points (Implied 30 PPG cost)
Great post.
Quote from: Colty on March 01, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 01, 2018, 12:14:34 PM
Midprice picks need to be worth it overall. I always look for 2 of 3 requirements.
1 - Do I believe that they have potential to be a top premium.
Def - Top 6 (94.1)
Mid - Top 10 (110)
Ruck - Top 2 (103)
Fwd - Top 6 (93)
2 - If they don't become a top premium, would I be happy with them as last position on field on that line. Do I think they have a good chance to hit that average.
My general rule of thumb is
Def - Top 15 (88.6)
Mid - Top 20 (102.4)
Ruck - Top 6 (95.2)
Fwd - Top 15 (87)
3 - If they don't hit my premium mark, will they make enough cash & points to be worth more than a rookie.
Petracca is a good example.
1 - No, I don't believe he is a good chance to increase from 78 to 93 and do it consistently
2 - Realistically I believe 87 is possible, but a low chance, likely average 80-90
3 - If he doesn't hit 87 will he make enough cash or points. (priced 78, if hits 85 he makes $35k-$40k) with a +7 points per game over cost. Base for Fwd rookie is $150k & +25 points (Implied 30 PPG cost)
Great post.
So of the extensive batch we have in this years pool, let's just go over ceilings & potential income.
Armitage - 109 HS, likely 95, profit 125k by round 7
O'Meara - 97 HS, likely 90, profit 100k by round 7
Griffen - 116 HS, likely 80, profit 80k by round 7
Coniglio - 106 HS, likely 105, profit 60k by round 7
Redden - 103 HS, likely 95, profit 30k by round 7
Liberatore - 110 HS, likely 95, profit 30k by round 7
* Prestia currently injured so I'd steer clear at this stage
So from this analysis I'd be targeting the top 3 for a nice balance between point generation & money making ability. Coniglio is one to consider as a season keeper, he's a former top 2 pick, is still only 24 and had some super impressive scores in the tail end of the year, I personally think he can hit 110.
Now for some cool aid regarding rookies, here's a list of debutants and their respective scores.
Andrew Gaff - 61
Jordan Lewis - 62
Bryce Gibbs - 63
Angus Brayshaw - 65
Trent Cotchin - 66
Harley Bennell - 68
Marc Murphy - 70
Isaac Heeney - 70
Clayton Oliver - 70
Jack Viney - 71
Nat Fyfe - 72
Brett Deledio - 74
Ollie Wines - 75
Callum Mills - 77
Dustin Martin - 77
Joel Selwood - 77
Marcus Bontempelli - 78
David Swallow - 79
Dyson Heppell - 83
Daniel Rich - 85
Jaeger O'Meara - 90 *was held back a year due to GC inception
So realistically the current batch should be in the 65-70 range which at a starting price of 190k will make between 80-90k. We could also factor in the cost in trades but this isn't so clear cut if one lands the next Kelly, Oliver or Marc Murphy. There's also the ease at which one can turn a mid-pricer into a super premo, sometimes 1 rookie culled can get you two upgrades.
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen
Could it be a potential starting midfield???
Quote from: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen
Could it be a potential starting midfield???
That depends if you are going to man up and start them :P
Armitage is likely to average 95? Doubtful Henry.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen
Could it be a potential starting midfield???
Would still have Danger at M1 but Griffen at M8 is looking mighty tempting. I've just had a play around with my squad and this approach is still in play. Currently have -
Danger, Kelly, Fyfe, Beams, Coniglio, O'Meara, Armitage, Griffen
The cost of doing this is Coffield at D4, certainly a big risk but when you look at the star juniors, the rebounding role is generally where the points are.
I didn't add Witherden in there because he only featured at the tail end of the year but an 87 average just adds weight to the argument.
Quote from: meow meow on March 01, 2018, 05:01:37 PM
Armitage is likely to average 95? Doubtful Henry.
Just as likely as Libba, even a 90 average will get you 100k. Excluding last year his scores have been 92, 93, 109 & 87.
Perplexed as to how Libba is getting overlooked behind redden, conigs etc... Only guy who has gone better than 105 in more than 1 year, furthermore did it consecutively. He's their best clearance mid and so he's probably going to spent the least time up forward of all of them. Tackling and contested possessions have his points per possession higher than most. Also has done his first quality pre season in years.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen
Could it be a potential starting midfield???
How many of them would people consider if they didn't play well in the first JLT game? Haha
Redden and Armo in particular were barely mentioned before this week.
Dont get me wrong though, grabbing a couple from that list could go a long way to setting up your season
Quote from: fasttrack13 on March 04, 2018, 02:51:43 PM
Perplexed as to how Libba is getting overlooked behind redden, conigs etc... Only guy who has gone better than 105 in more than 1 year, furthermore did it consecutively. He's their best clearance mid and so he's probably going to spent the least time up forward of all of them. Tackling and contested possessions have his points per possession higher than most. Also has done his first quality pre season in years.
all valid points, and if his head is in the right space good for 105 with all his pressure work. still see him asbit if a pysch case. only room and risk for one of cogs libba jom griff armitage. for it is between cogs/jom.
jom gives me cash to upgrade to hibberd at d2. Just stinks paying top dollar for hibberd who will be available for 450-480 probably at some stage. who is playing the run out of the backline role for swans, mcleish, lloyd, rampe, mills? is shaw worth another punt, or will griff or lids come in and take on that role at GWS.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 04, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen
Could it be a potential starting midfield???
How many of them would people consider if they didn't play well in the first JLT game? Haha
Redden and Armo in particular were barely mentioned before this week.
Dont get me wrong though, grabbing a couple from that list could go a long way to setting up your season
I have had redden locked into my fantasy team since it opened but as a sc option I can’t see it.
Is it just me or did Libba look like he had lost a few kgs and moved quicker across the ground?
I was really impressed.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 04, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 01, 2018, 04:29:22 PM
Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Redden, Libba, O'meara, Armitage, Griffen
Could it be a potential starting midfield???
How many of them would people consider if they didn't play well in the first JLT game? Haha
Redden and Armo in particular were barely mentioned before this week.
Dont get me wrong though, grabbing a couple from that list could go a long way to setting up your season
Only one I wasnt considering before JLT was Redden and that is why I am unlikely to start him.
You should only pick these guys if you're happy to hang onto them for 16 rounds or if you think they will be top ten material. There will be carnage and there will be super spuds that need to be dealt with before you have the option of even thinking about upgrading these folks. By then you'll be way behind the leaders who have had the real superpremos from day dot.
Quote from: meow meow on March 05, 2018, 12:37:26 PM
You should only pick these guys if you're happy to hang onto them for 16 rounds or if you think they will be top ten material. There will be carnage and there will be super spuds that need to be dealt with before you have the option of even thinking about upgrading these folks. By then you'll be way behind the leaders who have had the real superpremos from day dot.
This is the concern I have and it happens every year. When you have cash cows fattening and injury striking you are going to deal with those long before a midpricer that's going along 'just ok'
More often than not I get stuck with them all year or can't trade them till very late. All good and well if they are going 100+ but it's when they are averaging 90ish that they are in no mans land
Quote from: quinny88 on March 05, 2018, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: meow meow on March 05, 2018, 12:37:26 PM
You should only pick these guys if you're happy to hang onto them for 16 rounds or if you think they will be top ten material. There will be carnage and there will be super spuds that need to be dealt with before you have the option of even thinking about upgrading these folks. By then you'll be way behind the leaders who have had the real superpremos from day dot.
This is the concern I have and it happens every year. When you have cash cows fattening and injury striking you are going to deal with those long before a midpricer that's going along 'just ok'
More often than not I get stuck with them all year or can't trade them till very late. All good and well if they are going 100+ but it's when they are averaging 90ish that they are in no mans land
I don't know. Theoretically u pick a midpricer over a rookie. The rookie u would have picked would be upgraded anyway. One rookie down to a new one, and another up to a Premium. You just upgrade the midpricer instead.
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You should only pick these guys if you're happy to hang onto them for 16 rounds or if you think they will be top ten material. There will be carnage and there will be super spuds that need to be dealt with before you have the option of even thinking about upgrading these folks. By then you'll be way behind the leaders who have had the real superpremos from day dot.
This is the concern I have and it happens every year. When you have cash cows fattening and injury striking you are going to deal with those long before a midpricer that's going along 'just ok'
More often than not I get stuck with them all year or can't trade them till very late. All good and well if they are going 100+ but it's when they are averaging 90ish that they are in no mans land
I don't know. Theoretically u pick a midpricer over a rookie. The rookie u would have picked would be upgraded anyway. One rookie down to a new one, and another up to a Premium. You just upgrade the midpricer instead.
Think if you are picking a Coniglio, Libba, Redden type you are picking them as a M8 keeper with a 105+ average.
U may pick a Redden/Libba/Coniglio hoping they get 105+ and be an M8.
They could avg 100 tho, which is not good enough for M8, but it doesn't make them a failed pick. Priced at 80 could make 100 k and get to 550k which means easy sideways or upgrade to fallen premium. It does mean you need to trade them eventually.
Having to trade them isn't always a bad thing. Let's say Crouch gets a 2 week suspension in round 6. Annoying! Now lets say Redden gets a 3 week hamstring in round 6 - no biggie, just trade him since you will have to do it eventually anyway.
Quote from: meow meow on March 06, 2018, 12:33:09 PM
Having to trade them isn't always a bad thing. Let's say Crouch gets a 2 week suspension in round 6. Annoying! Now lets say Redden gets a 3 week hamstring in round 6 - no biggie, just trade him since you will have to do it eventually anyway.
thats true.
The good thing this year is there's plenty of sideways trades available, if any of these blokes go down one has numerous get-out options (unlike Lycett).
What to do with Libba?
-Can turn him into Rocky this week (Rocky has a bigger ceiling)
-Have enough cash to make him Sheed also (again, maybe a higher ceiling)
Watched him last week and he was ok but the above 2 guys have hit the ground running and don't want to miss out on points while Libba clears out the cobwebs.
Also, Port play Carlton at home, potential for big numbers.
Thoughts on the early sideways?
Quote from: HoleMeal on March 26, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
What to do with Libba?
-Can turn him into Rocky this week (Rocky has a bigger ceiling)
-Have enough cash to make him Sheed also (again, maybe a higher ceiling)
Watched him last week and he was ok but the above 2 guys have hit the ground running and don't want to miss out on points while Libba clears out the cobwebs.
Also, Port play Carlton at home, potential for big numbers.
Thoughts on the early sideways?
You know the answer to this. All good in theory, but things might reverse in round 2.
Libba was awesome against the Swans. You picked him ahead of those two for a reason. You knew their scoring potential. Don't do it.
Even if Rocky scores 150 next week (which he probably will) the injury risk is still too much and who knows what happens when Wines comes back. As for Sheed, he's looking the goods but is it worth the trade and extra 94k to jump on someone who at best will average 10 more points than Libba?
Quote from: HoleMeal on March 26, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
What to do with Libba?
-Can turn him into Rocky this week (Rocky has a bigger ceiling)
-Have enough cash to make him Sheed also (again, maybe a higher ceiling)
Watched him last week and he was ok but the above 2 guys have hit the ground running and don't want to miss out on points while Libba clears out the cobwebs.
Also, Port play Carlton at home, potential for big numbers.
Thoughts on the early sideways?
Complete waste of trade unless burn man or Sheed become premium keepers. To take such a risk I would wait at least one more week.
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What to do with Libba?
-Can turn him into Rocky this week (Rocky has a bigger ceiling)
-Have enough cash to make him Sheed also (again, maybe a higher ceiling)
Watched him last week and he was ok but the above 2 guys have hit the ground running and don't want to miss out on points while Libba clears out the cobwebs.
Also, Port play Carlton at home, potential for big numbers.
Thoughts on the early sideways?
Complete waste of trade unless burn man or Sheed become premium keepers. To take such a risk I would wait at least one more week.
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What to do with Libba?
-Can turn him into Rocky this week (Rocky has a bigger ceiling)
-Have enough cash to make him Sheed also (again, maybe a higher ceiling)
Watched him last week and he was ok but the above 2 guys have hit the ground running and don't want to miss out on points while Libba clears out the cobwebs.
Also, Port play Carlton at home, potential for big numbers.
Thoughts on the early sideways?
Complete waste of trade unless burn man or Sheed become premium keepers. To take such a risk I would wait at least one more week.
I had no problem with how Libba went, had a good DT score and that'll translate into SC sooner rather than later
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Quote from: Wanderer on March 26, 2019, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on March 26, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
What to do with Libba?
-Can turn him into Rocky this week (Rocky has a bigger ceiling)
-Have enough cash to make him Sheed also (again, maybe a higher ceiling)
Watched him last week and he was ok but the above 2 guys have hit the ground running and don't want to miss out on points while Libba clears out the cobwebs.
Also, Port play Carlton at home, potential for big numbers.
Thoughts on the early sideways?
Complete waste of trade unless burn man or Sheed become premium keepers. To take such a risk I would wait at least one more week.
I had no problem with how Libba went, had a good DT score and that'll translate into SC sooner rather than later
Yeah Libba just burnt the ball. Rocky and sheed needed to be started at the prices to be worth it, would need to become premiums and thats a big risk.
I thought Libba looked so good that it'll take a 50 from him this week for me to consider trading him.
He clearly showed last week that a 90+ average is possible the way he played.
Might have looked good but that only translated to 75 points. Anything sub 80 and I'll be moving him on personally. 300k rookie numbers
Quote from: Jimmykidd on March 31, 2019, 01:20:27 PM
Might have looked good but that only translated to 75 points. Anything sub 80 and I'll be moving him on personally. 300k rookie numbers
Me too.
He will NEVER get Rocky-like ceilings.
I also watched last weeks game and he looked just OK to me, and scored appropriately.
Needs to go 90+ today.
Anyone going to whine about him this week?
Quote from: LF on March 31, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
Anyone going to whine about him this week?
The knee-jerking by some is ridiculous. Watch people question Coniglio this week.
Well looks like he's safe. Haha. 28 disposals last week for 75 points. 28 this week for 128. Good stuff.
Saved my Sunday, Libba :-*
Ok Ok, putting my hand up.
202 people went Libba>Scott :o
Have Rockliff and Brouch and contemplating getting in Libba :o
Might wait a week, his BE might not be that low this week
Gun, happy I started him. Should either be a good stepping stone to a prem or a keeper.
Libba looked very good today. Hope he can make some quick cash
When a moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie
Liberatore!
Is libba worth getting in if u didn’t start him?
When your eyes start to shine like you've had to much wine, Liberatore!
Quote from: walloo44 on April 07, 2019, 04:56:03 PM
Is libba worth getting in if u didn’t start him?
Could be, anyone know his new price?
Libba might end up being a keeper at this rate
Considering Dusty to Libba and pocket the cash for an early upgrade.
Quote from: _wato on April 07, 2019, 05:17:30 PM
Considering Dusty to Libba and pocket the cash for an early upgrade.
Me too, although I don't have Dusty, will have to assess the whole squad & then make a call.
If he maintain this i will be happy. Would love to have a keeper who started at low 300K
u peasants that didnt start him better not trade him in now
Could go gibbons -> Libba maybe
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u peasants that didnt start him better not trade him in now
They will KB
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on April 07, 2019, 06:08:18 PM
u peasants that didnt start him better not trade him in now
Yep agree but unfortunately they will and jinx him
Hah yeah going to have to look at him. At least those who started with him saved ~60K and trades!
As a Libba owner I would have preferred he scored a low 100 for the next few weeks until his score went up high enough to make it harder for others to get him :P
Trading him in for Steele sick of him getting the tagging role every week
wow he could actually be a keeper. hope he stays fit.
actually I can’t see an easy way to get him in. No under performing prems and not enough $$ to upgrade a rookie
As said above with Libba looking like being a keeper Dusty to Libba and have cash for next upgrades is on the cards.
Steele's SC was disappointing tonight, 22 disposals, 8 tackles, 8 marks was okay but didn't translate well with DE obviously.
He's the only one I'd consider for Libba. Not sure I want to but 100k+ in the bank and whatever Libba may make in the next few weeks may make it worth it. Food for thought.
Quote from: _wato on April 07, 2019, 05:17:30 PM
Considering Dusty to Libba and pocket the cash for an early upgrade.
Seems a sensible option. One I am also definitely considering.
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Steele's SC was disappointing tonight, 22 disposals, 8 tackles, 8 marks was okay but didn't translate well with DE obviously.
He's the only one I'd consider for Libba. Not sure I want to but 100k+ in the bank and whatever Libba may make in the next few weeks may make it worth it. Food for thought.
Quote from: whynot102 on April 07, 2019, 07:02:21 PM
Trading him in for Steele sick of him getting the tagging role every week
Don't trade Steele, you'll regret it. Was everywhere today just missed too many targets. Certain he'll bang out some 130s soon.
Is Brodie Smith to Libba worth the trade?
Quote from: whynot102 on April 07, 2019, 07:02:21 PM
Trading him in for Steele sick of him getting the tagging role every week
lol u must be braindead.
steele has had 2 tonnes and an 85 which should have been massively upscaled.
but plz, go waste a trade and give the other 200k users a leg up.
since i have already have Libba and Steele, what are peoples thoughts on Steele to Neale.
Quote from: Keeper27 on April 07, 2019, 09:19:59 PM
since i have already have Libba and Steele, what are peoples thoughts on Steele to Neale.
If you’ve got the cash to do it in one trade, that would be a Steal...
Is Cousins - Libba worth it?
I can do it in 1 trade but Cousins still has some coin to make.
Libba's BE of -55 is ridiculous so if you dont bring him in this week then he will be easy 450k next week.
Can do Atkins - Stack & Butters - Libba but burning 2 trades isnt worth it IMO.
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 08, 2019, 09:25:21 AM
Is Cousins - Libba worth it?
I can do it in 1 trade but Cousins still has some coin to make.
Libba's BE of -55 is ridiculous so if you dont bring him in this week then he will be easy 450k next week.
Can do Atkins - Stack & Butters - Libba but burning 2 trades isnt worth it IMO.
If cousins still has money to make i would hold. I would only trade if you cant make money of cousin's
Quote from: Hazza09 on April 08, 2019, 09:25:21 AM
Is Cousins - Libba worth it?
I can do it in 1 trade but Cousins still has some coin to make.
Libba's BE of -55 is ridiculous so if you dont bring him in this week then he will be easy 450k next week.
Can do Atkins - Stack & Butters - Libba but burning 2 trades isnt worth it IMO.
Do you think Libba is good enough for M7-8? That should answer your question.
The great Libba seems to have topped out with a BE of 115 this week. Are people holding or trading?
Quote from: Gambino on May 01, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
The great Libba seems to have topped out with a BE of 115 this week. Are people holding or trading?
Definite hold. He'll be one of my last upgrades if I even decide to trade him along with Walsh.
Trading after 1 bad game is just asking for trouble.
I'll be keeping one of Libba or Walsh all year as M9 cover and loophole potential. Of course that's only the plan anyway. Most likely won't pan out that way
Ideally you would like Libba to be ur last upgrade.
However it’s unlikely he will be top 10mids. Therefore you could trade him to Fyfe for 80k, Macrae for 100k or say Tim Kelly who will be a top 6 forward.
This is why I’m contemplating it.
Quote from: smashbox on May 02, 2019, 09:40:55 AM
Ideally you would like Libba to be ur last upgrade.
However it’s unlikely he will be top 10mids. Therefore you could trade him to Fyfe for 80k, Macrae for 100k or say Tim Kelly who will be a top 6 forward.
This is why I’m contemplating it.
He's the 15th ranked mid despite two scores in the 70s. Everyone was happy to say that Round 1 was rust and we're only getting concerned now that there's another 70 in there. In two weeks, that leaves his rolling average, and I wouldn't be surprised if Richmond allowed him a big score at Docklands this week. I wouldn't be trading him yet. (I would be considering it in the DT scoring formats though...)
Surely he'd be the last person people are looking to upgrade?
Getting forward and defender rookies off field would be much higher a priority.
My last upgrade target or bench cover come finals
Soo he has to go now right? Playing absolutely awful tonight..
Dunkley has taken his midfield time, and with great success. Hard to see them switching roles anytime soon after this win.
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 04, 2019, 10:58:21 PM
Dunkley has taken his midfield time, and with great success. Hard to see them switching roles anytime soon after this win.
Was libba not playing midfield?
Seemed more focused on niggling opponents than actually getting the ball ::)
Was playing midfield, attended lots of CBs so no issue there. Dunkley hasn't taken his role or anything, but it is funny his scoring has risen as Libba's has fallen.
Just seemed the ball was eluding him tonight.
Was struggling tonight.
Maybe carrying something?
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Was struggling tonight.
Maybe carrying something?
Thats what i thought looked slow
Like Heeney
I was hoping Libba could be a keeper at M8 but it appears he might not be good enough and is inconsistent
Might need to upgrade him next week
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 11, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
I was hoping Libba could be a keeper at M8 but it appears he might not be good enough and is inconsistent
Might need to upgrade him next week
He's had plenty of it today and looked dangerous, just had too many turnovers.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on May 11, 2019, 03:54:24 PM
I was hoping Libba could be a keeper at M8 but it appears he might not be good enough and is inconsistent
Might need to upgrade him next week
With the rookies on the lean side Libba can sit at M9 in due course, perfect depth player.
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I was hoping Libba could be a keeper at M8 but it appears he might not be good enough and is inconsistent
Might need to upgrade him next week
With the rookies on the lean side Libba can sit at M9 in due course, perfect depth player.
In due course, but until then just cop the poor scoring and cash loss?
Don't really want 400k+ giving me poor scores, especially when for just 150k more I can get an outright gun
I'm Libba's biggest advocate so hoping he can turn things around, but I can't keep copping sub par scores and falling behind
100% trading Walsh before Libba.
Quote from: batt on May 11, 2019, 05:48:16 PM
100% trading Walsh before Libba.
Absolutely, Walsh gone this week.
Walsh went this week to give me cash.
Libba is likely gone this week to bring in Neale.
Disappointing but he has been a good stepping stone.
Walsh > Fyfe next week for me.
Have $411,900 in the kitty. 8)
Libba i will hold until his bye. As my plans for mext week were gibbons to fyfe and maybe a drew or moore to another premo mid
What looked like mid price madness early is kind of a flop right now lol as usual.
Looked alright yesterday, just butchered it a bit.
Quote from: bkimm32 on May 12, 2019, 04:09:04 AM
What looked like mid price madness early is kind of a flop right now lol as usual.
Still the right move if started the right mid pricers and traded Libba at the right time I reckon.
Williams and Smith looking like keepers down back. Rocky still better than a lot of premiums (particularly because the 36 was because of injury) and may well be a keeper going forward. Libba could've been traded last week for $188k profit or this week for $161k with much better scoring on field than you'd likely have been able to get otherwise. Sheed and Crouch flopped. Greene flopped the worst. But anyone that started with Williams, Smith, Rocky, Libba is ahead of the pack.
For me, I started Williams, Smith, Libba, Crouch, Greene. Traded Libba to Fyfe this week (one week later than I should have in hindsight). That's three good ones out of five. My season would probably be a lot worse if I hadn't started those guys because my "premiums" are what's really killing me.
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Quote from: bkimm32 on May 12, 2019, 04:09:04 AM
What looked like mid price madness early is kind of a flop right now lol as usual.
Still the right move if started the right mid pricers and traded Libba at the right time I reckon.
Williams and Smith looking like keepers down back. Rocky still better than a lot of premiums (particularly because the 36 was because of injury) and may well be a keeper going forward. Libba could've been traded last week for $188k profit or this week for $161k with much better scoring on field than you'd likely have been able to get otherwise. Sheed and Crouch flopped. Greene flopped the worst. But anyone that started with Williams, Smith, Rocky, Libba is ahead of the pack.
For me, I started Williams, Smith, Libba, Crouch, Greene. Traded Libba to Fyfe this week (one week later than I should have in hindsight). That's three good ones out of five. My season would probably be a lot worse if I hadn't started those guys because my "premiums" are what's really killing me.
Why do you persist with this notion that Crouch flopped? Season average is 94 & I doubt too many owners would have traded him.
Because Crouch has flopped. He hasn't made a lot of cash and with how strong the midfield rookies have been it was a waste starting him. You were better off starting Boak for not much difference up forward and not having to have a Balta type on your bench.
To a degree Rocky has flopped due to the injury game as well, yet he is still scoring much better than Crouch head to head
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Quote from: bkimm32 on May 12, 2019, 04:09:04 AM
What looked like mid price madness early is kind of a flop right now lol as usual.
Still the right move if started the right mid pricers and traded Libba at the right time I reckon.
Williams and Smith looking like keepers down back. Rocky still better than a lot of premiums (particularly because the 36 was because of injury) and may well be a keeper going forward. Libba could've been traded last week for $188k profit or this week for $161k with much better scoring on field than you'd likely have been able to get otherwise. Sheed and Crouch flopped. Greene flopped the worst. But anyone that started with Williams, Smith, Rocky, Libba is ahead of the pack.
For me, I started Williams, Smith, Libba, Crouch, Greene. Traded Libba to Fyfe this week (one week later than I should have in hindsight). That's three good ones out of five. My season would probably be a lot worse if I hadn't started those guys because my "premiums" are what's really killing me.
Why do you persist with this notion that Crouch flopped? Season average is 94 & I doubt too many owners would have traded him.
I started with:
Z.Williams, B.Smith, J.Ridley
B.Crouch, Libba, Cousins, Walsh
J.Worpel, L.McCarthy, D.Moore
I traded Ridley to Duursma in R2.
I traded McCarthy to Baker and Cousins to Ross in R6.
I baulked at trading Libba to the Bont this week as I am ranked 457 and am being very conservative/careful, something I am not normally very good at!
I think that picking the mid pricers has worked, but it worked for me last year too only for my rank to slowly degenerate from the middle of the season onwards. Perhaps because I did't generate enough cash elsewhere.
Have one trade in my pocket this week, may trade Balta to Moore or may just hold. Have Setterfields 67 to cover a late Danger out.
Might look to trade both Walsh and Libba this week, we'll see how things pan out.
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 12, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
Because Crouch has flopped. He hasn't made a lot of cash and with how strong the midfield rookies have been it was a waste starting him. You were better off starting Boak for not much difference up forward and not having to have a Balta type on your bench.
To a degree Rocky has flopped due to the injury game as well, yet he is still scoring much better than Crouch head to head
Have to disagree, Crouch has shielded me from terrible rookie scores & the only rookies worth their salt have been Walsh & Constable, both of whom have been fielded most weeks. Sure Boak would have been better to start but that's a different story, in hindsight I start Boak over Greene & downgrade Macrae to Neale, but you can't win them all. As for the cash generation, not a massive difference between Crouch & say Butters who was a popular starting pick. Think people's expectations of the mid pricers has been wildly inflated, all have pretty much been successful from a points perspective, some like Sheed need to be moved on but he too has averaged 93 so hardly a terrible choice. Rocky the pick of the bunch but only 48 points ahead of Crouch, something which could change as early as next week.
Quote from: Bully on May 12, 2019, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 12, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
Because Crouch has flopped. He hasn't made a lot of cash and with how strong the midfield rookies have been it was a waste starting him. You were better off starting Boak for not much difference up forward and not having to have a Balta type on your bench.
To a degree Rocky has flopped due to the injury game as well, yet he is still scoring much better than Crouch head to head
Have to disagree, Crouch has shielded me from terrible rookie scores & the only rookies worth their salt have been Walsh & Constable, both of whom have been fielded most weeks. Sure Boak would have been better to start but that's a different story, in hindsight I start Boak over Greene & downgrade Macrae to Neale, but you can't win them all. As for the cash generation, not a massive difference between Crouch & say Butters who was a popular starting pick. Think people's expectations of the mid pricers has been wildly inflated, all have pretty much been successful from a points perspective, some like Sheed need to be moved on but he too has averaged 93 so hardly a terrible choice. Rocky the pick of the bunch but only 48 points ahead of Crouch, something which could change as early as next week.
Crouch needed to be a keeper or at least make $100k and he's not either. I had Constable on the bench all year which was a huge waste when I could've had a premium elsewhere. I agree with Mat on this one.
Crouch has made $44k. Butters $95k. That's significant.
Quote from: LaHug on May 12, 2019, 07:29:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on May 12, 2019, 12:15:28 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on May 12, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
Because Crouch has flopped. He hasn't made a lot of cash and with how strong the midfield rookies have been it was a waste starting him. You were better off starting Boak for not much difference up forward and not having to have a Balta type on your bench.
To a degree Rocky has flopped due to the injury game as well, yet he is still scoring much better than Crouch head to head
Have to disagree, Crouch has shielded me from terrible rookie scores & the only rookies worth their salt have been Walsh & Constable, both of whom have been fielded most weeks. Sure Boak would have been better to start but that's a different story, in hindsight I start Boak over Greene & downgrade Macrae to Neale, but you can't win them all. As for the cash generation, not a massive difference between Crouch & say Butters who was a popular starting pick. Think people's expectations of the mid pricers has been wildly inflated, all have pretty much been successful from a points perspective, some like Sheed need to be moved on but he too has averaged 93 so hardly a terrible choice. Rocky the pick of the bunch but only 48 points ahead of Crouch, something which could change as early as next week.
Crouch needed to be a keeper or at least make $100k and he's not either. I had Constable on the bench all year which was a huge waste when I could've had a premium elsewhere. I agree with Mat on this one.
Crouch has made $44k. Butters $95k. That's significant.
Crouch hasn't made anything because most people haven't sold, but I'd back him to make more than Butters in due course.
Brad Crouch doesn't become a failed pick just because you are too foolish to put Constable on the field... he's returning from a long lay-off and doing a reasonable job. Has not run his race yet.
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 12, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Brad Crouch doesn't become a failed pick just because you are too foolish to put Constable on the field... he's returning from a long lay-off and doing a reasonable job. Has not run his race yet.
Doing a reasonable job isn't why I picked him. As a midpricer, he either needs to make enough money to sideways to a fallen premium or be a premium himself. At this stage, he's not looking like either.
Quote from: LaHug on May 12, 2019, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 12, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Brad Crouch doesn't become a failed pick just because you are too foolish to put Constable on the field... he's returning from a long lay-off and doing a reasonable job. Has not run his race yet.
Doing a reasonable job isn't why I picked him. As a midpricer, he either needs to make enough money to sideways to a fallen premium or be a premium himself. At this stage, he's not looking like either.
My point being that a return from such a long lay-off requires time to get back to your best footy. Averaging 94 and hasn't dipped below 77, looking at your team I can see you have far bigger issues to worry about. To have expected a 105~ average at this point would be naive.
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 12, 2019, 11:28:16 PM
Quote from: LaHug on May 12, 2019, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 12, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Brad Crouch doesn't become a failed pick just because you are too foolish to put Constable on the field... he's returning from a long lay-off and doing a reasonable job. Has not run his race yet.
Doing a reasonable job isn't why I picked him. As a midpricer, he either needs to make enough money to sideways to a fallen premium or be a premium himself. At this stage, he's not looking like either.
My point being that a return from such a long lay-off requires time to get back to your best footy. Averaging 94 and hasn't dipped below 77, looking at your team I can see you have far bigger issues to worry about. To have expected a 105~ average at this point would be naive.
Yeah, I definitely have far bigger issues. Witherden, Brayshaw, Greene are all far worse picks. Doesn't stop Crouch being a poor pick. Picking someone at his starting price and saying you'd be happy with a 94 average is probably more naive than expecting him to average approximately 105. Looks like we're just going to have to disagree on this one though. Probably need to move this conversation back to Libba anyway.
No one's happy with a 94 come season end, but at Round 8, I'll take it with the expectation he builds from here.
Anyway, Libba has thrown a far greater spanner in the works given the timing of his slump.
Quote from: LaHug on May 12, 2019, 07:29:53 PM
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Quote from: Mat0369 on May 12, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
Because Crouch has flopped. He hasn't made a lot of cash and with how strong the midfield rookies have been it was a waste starting him. You were better off starting Boak for not much difference up forward and not having to have a Balta type on your bench.
To a degree Rocky has flopped due to the injury game as well, yet he is still scoring much better than Crouch head to head
Have to disagree, Crouch has shielded me from terrible rookie scores & the only rookies worth their salt have been Walsh & Constable, both of whom have been fielded most weeks. Sure Boak would have been better to start but that's a different story, in hindsight I start Boak over Greene & downgrade Macrae to Neale, but you can't win them all. As for the cash generation, not a massive difference between Crouch & say Butters who was a popular starting pick. Think people's expectations of the mid pricers has been wildly inflated, all have pretty much been successful from a points perspective, some like Sheed need to be moved on but he too has averaged 93 so hardly a terrible choice. Rocky the pick of the bunch but only 48 points ahead of Crouch, something which could change as early as next week.
Crouch needed to be a keeper or at least make $100k and he's not either. I had Constable on the bench all year which was a huge waste when I could've had a premium elsewhere. I agree with Mat on this one.
Crouch has made $44k. Butters $95k. That's significant.
Yep same here
Crouch and sheed were taking up Constables spot for me while sc spuds like Parker and petrucelle were on the field most of the year. Big mistake
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Because Crouch has flopped. He hasn't made a lot of cash and with how strong the midfield rookies have been it was a waste starting him. You were better off starting Boak for not much difference up forward and not having to have a Balta type on your bench.
To a degree Rocky has flopped due to the injury game as well, yet he is still scoring much better than Crouch head to head
Have to disagree, Crouch has shielded me from terrible rookie scores & the only rookies worth their salt have been Walsh & Constable, both of whom have been fielded most weeks. Sure Boak would have been better to start but that's a different story, in hindsight I start Boak over Greene & downgrade Macrae to Neale, but you can't win them all. As for the cash generation, not a massive difference between Crouch & say Butters who was a popular starting pick. Think people's expectations of the mid pricers has been wildly inflated, all have pretty much been successful from a points perspective, some like Sheed need to be moved on but he too has averaged 93 so hardly a terrible choice. Rocky the pick of the bunch but only 48 points ahead of Crouch, something which could change as early as next week.
Crouch needed to be a keeper or at least make $100k and he's not either. I had Constable on the bench all year which was a huge waste when I could've had a premium elsewhere. I agree with Mat on this one.
Crouch has made $44k. Butters $95k. That's significant.
Yep same here
Crouch and sheed were taking up Constables spot for me while sc spuds like Parker and petrucelle were on the field most of the year. Big mistake
That's more a structural issue, not really related to Crouch's performance.
next week I will sideways Brouch to Danger or I could Downgrade him to Heeney. :o Now that's something to think about.
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next week I will sideways Brouch to Danger or I could Downgrade him to Heeney. :o Now that's something to think about.
look at your byes first
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Quote from: frenzy on May 13, 2019, 12:50:39 AM
next week I will sideways Brouch to Danger or I could Downgrade him to Heeney. :o Now that's something to think about.
look at your byes first
Also have a look at Isaac's ankle.
He's still on a modified program (according to the telecast last game)
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Brad Crouch doesn't become a failed pick just because you are too foolish to put Constable on the field... he's returning from a long lay-off and doing a reasonable job. Has not run his race yet.
Doing a reasonable job isn't why I picked him. As a midpricer, he either needs to make enough money to sideways to a fallen premium or be a premium himself. At this stage, he's not looking like either.
Compared to some of the premium mids he has been fine. I havent seen 8 super premo guys show they are a must have in the mids. That is 110 or 115+ locks.
Either untill brad drops or i see some must have mids pop up ill keep.
In terms if libba i traded him out for oliver last week. Could only keep one of brad walah libba and brad is the best scorer in my view.
If you keep holding libba then you might as well hold long term. I only rushed to dump him due to his price, he is much better thrn a rookie so if your not getting the huge cash grab then id dump rookies over him.
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Brad Crouch doesn't become a failed pick just because you are too foolish to put Constable on the field... he's returning from a long lay-off and doing a reasonable job. Has not run his race yet.
Doing a reasonable job isn't why I picked him. As a midpricer, he either needs to make enough money to sideways to a fallen premium or be a premium himself. At this stage, he's not looking like either.
Compared to some of the premium mids he has been fine. I havent seen 8 super premo guys show they are a must have in the mids. That is 110 or 115+ locks.
Either untill brad drops or i see some must have mids pop up ill keep.
In terms if libba i traded him out for oliver last week. Could only keep one of brad walah libba and brad is the best scorer in my view.
If you keep holding libba then you might as well hold long term. I only rushed to dump him due to his price, he is much better thrn a rookie so if your not getting the huge cash grab then id dump rookies over him.
Timing on Oliver impeccable, agree also that there's no point trading Libba if you have guys like Atkins, Ross & Scott. These should be the priority, especially with the byes coming up.
really its just who are the must have mids.
I have Macrae Neale Cripps Fyfe - who are the 4 must haves
I also have MCrouch Oliver who are both solid but not must haves (Clayton may be at some point)
There arent any good downgrades coming down either.
Quote from: Holz on May 13, 2019, 10:28:04 AM
really its just who are the must have mids.
I have Macrae Neale Cripps Fyfe - who are the 4 must haves
I also have MCrouch Oliver who are both solid but not must haves (Clayton may be at some point)
There arent any good downgrades coming down either.
Think you could add Josh Kelly to that list, this will probably be the last week he'll be under 600k so I'm jumping on.
Quote from: crowls on May 13, 2019, 09:15:15 AM
Quote from: frenzy on May 13, 2019, 12:50:39 AM
next week I will sideways Brouch to Danger or I could Downgrade him to Heeney. :o Now that's something to think about.
look at your byes first
yep and my very average team is light on for rnd 13 players atm, so they fit wonderfully. :)