- Identical price and averages.
- Martin averaged 136 in his last 9 games, while Titch averaged 126 from his last 9.
- Titch had only 2 sub-100 scores all season, 85 & 98 (the 98 was due to only managing 2 handball in the entire 1st QTR). Dusty had 5 sub-100 scores, however it must be taken into account 4 of these were consecutive, rounds 4-7, and were most likely due to the quad injury he sustained in round 4 (where he only managed 54.) The fifth sub-100 score was 74, when St Kilda thrashed Richmond by 12 goals.
- Dusty had 6 scores of 150+, whereas Titch only had 2.
Ultimately, it may be my Richmond bias, but I'm leaning towards Dustin. Not only does he have a higher ceiling than Titch, but his season average was brought down by the injury niggle that obviously affected him for a few games, which makes a big difference at the rate these top players score. Although Titch does still seem a little more consistent and is younger, the form Martin was in in the back half of the season was almost as incredible as Danger's, (in fact, he beat Danger's last 9 games average, 136>133).
What are you guys' thoughts?
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I've had both locked since Gold Picker opened and neither have moved, once. If I was forced to pick 1, it would be T.Mitchell. He has a more friendly bye and is less likely to fluctuate in price.
Atm i have titch and no dusty, purely because i think dusty is more likely to throw out a stinker and drop in price. Not much to split them though.
I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Titch, better bye and unbelievably consistent.
Currently Have Titch in my side and Martin may yet find his way back into my side, (Will be between him and Crouch),
Quote from: quinny88 on February 13, 2018, 05:13:27 AM
I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
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I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
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Quote from: quinny88 on February 13, 2018, 05:13:27 AM
I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
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Quote from: quinny88 on February 13, 2018, 05:13:27 AM
I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
Ha ha slow out of the blocks and not flash against Carlton hit the delete button Bully :P
Both, but Tom if you had to pick one <3
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I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
Ha ha slow out of the blocks and not flash against Carlton hit the delete button Bully :P
2013 - 85 & 25 & 69
2014 - 108
2015 - 51
2016 - 86
2017 - 159 & 121
Last year the outlier but still slow out of the blocks.
First 6 rounds
2013 - 85, 92, 150, 80, 115, 125
2014 - 102, 108, 84, 94, 80, 61
2015 - 51, 139, 110, 85, 113,124
2016 - 86, 134, 81, 83, 79, 127
2017 - 159, 118, 155, 54, 92, 93
So that's 650k on a guy who has failed to register triple figures in 16/30 games. The first question I asked myself is Dusty going to win the Brownlow this year? Unlikely, so what's his second highest career average? 108 with his third being 105.
Worthy of such an outlay? Not for me but go for it fellas, I'll be getting Dusty when he drops.
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I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
Ha ha slow out of the blocks and not flash against Carlton hit the delete button Bully :P
2013 - 85 & 25 & 69
2014 - 108
2015 - 51
2016 - 86
2017 - 159 & 121
Last year the outlier but still slow out of the blocks.
First 6 rounds
2013 - 85, 92, 150, 80, 115, 125
2014 - 102, 108, 84, 94, 80, 61
2015 - 51, 139, 110, 85, 113,124
2016 - 86, 134, 81, 83, 79, 127
2017 - 159, 118, 155, 54, 92, 93
So that's 650k on a guy who has failed to register triple figures in 16/30 games. The first question I asked myself is Dusty going to win the Brownlow this year? Unlikely, so what's his second highest career average? 108 with his third being 105.
Worthy of such an outlay? Not for me but go for it fellas, I'll be getting Dusty when he drops.
You're forgetting that he's just hit his prime though. It's not as if he's 30 years old and had an out of the blue season, he's been projecting this way his whole career and was only a matter of time before he became one of the top handful of players in the comp.
Weather he can pick up where he left off remains to be seen and if I was leaving 1 of the top 3 SC scorers out it would probably be him but starting all 3 is just less of a headache. If he continues on from the back half of last year he will be impossible to get in.
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I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
Ha ha slow out of the blocks and not flash against Carlton hit the delete button Bully :P
2013 - 85 & 25 & 69
2014 - 108
2015 - 51
2016 - 86
2017 - 159 & 121
Last year the outlier but still slow out of the blocks.
First 6 rounds
2013 - 85, 92, 150, 80, 115, 125
2014 - 102, 108, 84, 94, 80, 61
2015 - 51, 139, 110, 85, 113,124
2016 - 86, 134, 81, 83, 79, 127
2017 - 159, 118, 155, 54, 92, 93
So that's 650k on a guy who has failed to register triple figures in 16/30 games. The first question I asked myself is Dusty going to win the Brownlow this year? Unlikely, so what's his second highest career average? 108 with his third being 105.
Worthy of such an outlay? Not for me but go for it fellas, I'll be getting Dusty when he drops.
You're forgetting that he's just hit his prime though. It's not as if he's 30 years old and had an out of the blue season, he's been projecting this way his whole career and was only a matter of time before he became one of the top handful of players in the comp.
Weather he can pick up where he left off remains to be seen and if I was leaving 1 of the top 3 SC scorers out it would probably be him but starting all 3 is just less of a headache. If he continues on from the back half of last year he will be impossible to get in.
Dusty just won a Brownlow with the highest vote tally in history and still only averaged 119. He's a high standard deviation player who will drop, last year he was a shade over 500k after 7 rounds. Happy to sit on the sidelines with his price being well over the odds.
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I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
Ha ha slow out of the blocks and not flash against Carlton hit the delete button Bully :P
2013 - 85 & 25 & 69
2014 - 108
2015 - 51
2016 - 86
2017 - 159 & 121
Last year the outlier but still slow out of the blocks.
First 6 rounds
2013 - 85, 92, 150, 80, 115, 125
2014 - 102, 108, 84, 94, 80, 61
2015 - 51, 139, 110, 85, 113,124
2016 - 86, 134, 81, 83, 79, 127
2017 - 159, 118, 155, 54, 92, 93
So that's 650k on a guy who has failed to register triple figures in 16/30 games. The first question I asked myself is Dusty going to win the Brownlow this year? Unlikely, so what's his second highest career average? 108 with his third being 105.
Worthy of such an outlay? Not for me but go for it fellas, I'll be getting Dusty when he drops.
You're forgetting that he's just hit his prime though. It's not as if he's 30 years old and had an out of the blue season, he's been projecting this way his whole career and was only a matter of time before he became one of the top handful of players in the comp.
Weather he can pick up where he left off remains to be seen and if I was leaving 1 of the top 3 SC scorers out it would probably be him but starting all 3 is just less of a headache. If he continues on from the back half of last year he will be impossible to get in.
Dusty just won a Brownlow with the highest vote tally in history and still only averaged 119. He's a high standard deviation player who will drop, last year he was a shade over 500k after 7 rounds. Happy to sit on the sidelines with his price being well over the odds.
He had a down patch early on but that was just when the stuff with his dad was hitting the fan and apparently he was carrying a quad injury. Averaged like 130 after that (including through the finals)
The Tigers also play a heap of Friday nights and he will be the perfect VC option.
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I tried for a while to convince myself that I didn't need to start both and I landed on Mitchell for the seemingly better consistency, but when you look at Martins scores in the back half of the year I just couldn't leave that out. Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Fyfe all locked
Dusty tends to be slow out of the blocks, that's been pretty regular over the years. His record against Carlton isn't jaw dropping either.
Opened with 159 (against Carlton I might add), 118 and 155 last year. Then had some niggles where he played more forward and had the issues with his father.
His game later in the season against Carlton he scored 121.
Ha ha slow out of the blocks and not flash against Carlton hit the delete button Bully :P
2013 - 85 & 25 & 69
2014 - 108
2015 - 51
2016 - 86
2017 - 159 & 121
Last year the outlier but still slow out of the blocks.
First 6 rounds
2013 - 85, 92, 150, 80, 115, 125
2014 - 102, 108, 84, 94, 80, 61
2015 - 51, 139, 110, 85, 113,124
2016 - 86, 134, 81, 83, 79, 127
2017 - 159, 118, 155, 54, 92, 93
So that's 650k on a guy who has failed to register triple figures in 16/30 games. The first question I asked myself is Dusty going to win the Brownlow this year? Unlikely, so what's his second highest career average? 108 with his third being 105.
Worthy of such an outlay? Not for me but go for it fellas, I'll be getting Dusty when he drops.
You're forgetting that he's just hit his prime though. It's not as if he's 30 years old and had an out of the blue season, he's been projecting this way his whole career and was only a matter of time before he became one of the top handful of players in the comp.
Weather he can pick up where he left off remains to be seen and if I was leaving 1 of the top 3 SC scorers out it would probably be him but starting all 3 is just less of a headache. If he continues on from the back half of last year he will be impossible to get in.
Dusty just won a Brownlow with the highest vote tally in history and still only averaged 119. He's a high standard deviation player who will drop, last year he was a shade over 500k after 7 rounds. Happy to sit on the sidelines with his price being well over the odds.
He had a down patch early on but that was just when the stuff with his dad was hitting the fan and apparently he was carrying a quad injury. Averaged like 130 after that (including through the finals)
The Tigers also play a heap of Friday nights and he will be the perfect VC option.
Fair enough, you've got your mind pretty much made up. For my SC team (named after Dusty I might add), I'll be holding off this year, brilliant player but has proven to be a roller coaster ever since his debut.
Starting Mitchell and if can afford Dusty as well , even if he loses some money like most expensive players do you would want it be when your upgrading and rookies are plump and if he was to drop to 550K you will still need 2 x 350K rookies to get it done , if he is quiet early well it's getting rid of 2 mid pricers or side trading guns which is of little benefit safer to start him if you can afford it .... hope I can ;)
I've gone with TMitch. Agree with Bully in that Dusty had an unbelievable year last year and imo it'll take a fair effort to replicate
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I've gone with TMitch. Agree with Bully in that Dusty had an unbelievable year last year and imo it'll take a fair effort to replicate
Couldnt you say the exact same thing about mitchell?
Except mitchell hasnt got the history of repeteadly putting up big numbers.
Average spiked by more.
Hawks are much more of a change in flux then tigers. What about jom for example or no hodge etc..
I had both but just talked myself into dropping titch
Yeah all fair points. For me it wasn't so much Dusty vs Titch as they have a seperate bye. I'm more looking at which 3 out of Danger, Dusty, Fyfe and Crouch. Danger and Fyfe are my 2 biggest mid locks and I have been back and forth on Dusty and Crouch
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I've gone with TMitch. Agree with Bully in that Dusty had an unbelievable year last year and imo it'll take a fair effort to replicate
Couldnt you say the exact same thing about mitchell?
Well no because TMtich didn't win a brownlow lol. No doubt he had a very good year, but not to the level Dusty had
TMitch has always been an accumulator. Imo he's more chance of putting up a similar year to 2017 than Dusty is
You can't compare Titch and Dusty - couldn't be further apart in terms of the types of players they are
Titch is an accumulator and spend 100% game time in the guts
Safe as houses to average 110+ and super consistent
Like the others have said I too will be looking to get Dusty later in the year
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I've gone with TMitch. Agree with Bully in that Dusty had an unbelievable year last year and imo it'll take a fair effort to replicate
Couldnt you say the exact same thing about mitchell?
Well no because TMtich didn't win a brownlow lol. No doubt he had a very good year, but not to the level Dusty had
TMitch has always been an accumulator. Imo he's more chance of putting up a similar year to 2017 than Dusty is
True the argument was made that Dusty had a record voting year and still only averaged 119. Titch broke the record for possessions in a year and only averaged 118. For either of them to do exactly that again is less likely. Still see both atleast averaging 115 at the though so I'll lock them both in round 1
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I've gone with TMitch. Agree with Bully in that Dusty had an unbelievable year last year and imo it'll take a fair effort to replicate
Couldnt you say the exact same thing about mitchell?
Well no because TMtich didn't win a brownlow lol. No doubt he had a very good year, but not to the level Dusty had
TMitch has always been an accumulator. Imo he's more chance of putting up a similar year to 2017 than Dusty is
True the argument was made that Dusty had a record voting year and still only averaged 119. Titch broke the record for possessions in a year and only averaged 118. For either of them to do exactly that again is less likely. Still see both atleast averaging 115 at the though so I'll lock them both in round 1
Dusty had a record year and his team won the flag yet he only averaged 119? Is Dusty ever gonna do that year again? Very unlikely.
Titch on the other hand, yeah he had a record year for dispoals but thats the player he is, is it hard to see him doing it again? No, even if he replicates it again Hawthorn arent gonna win that few games for sometime. So often Titch went big but hawks got blown out and it effected his score. He made getting that many touches look easy, nothing he did was insanely special like with Dusty's year
Id be very very surprised if Titch didnt average more than Dusty. Out of the two you just have take Titch
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I've gone with TMitch. Agree with Bully in that Dusty had an unbelievable year last year and imo it'll take a fair effort to replicate
Couldnt you say the exact same thing about mitchell?
Well no because TMtich didn't win a brownlow lol. No doubt he had a very good year, but not to the level Dusty had
TMitch has always been an accumulator. Imo he's more chance of putting up a similar year to 2017 than Dusty is
True the argument was made that Dusty had a record voting year and still only averaged 119. Titch broke the record for possessions in a year and only averaged 118. For either of them to do exactly that again is less likely. Still see both atleast averaging 115 at the though so I'll lock them both in round 1
Dusty had a record year and his team won the flag yet he only averaged 119? Is Dusty ever gonna do that year again? Very unlikely.
Titch on the other hand, yeah he had a record year for dispoals but thats the player he is, is it hard to see him doing it again? No, even if he replicates it again Hawthorn arent gonna win that few games for sometime. So often Titch went big but hawks got blown out and it effected his score. He made getting that many touches look easy, nothing he did was insanely special like with Dusty's year
Id be very very surprised if Titch didnt average more than Dusty. Out of the two you just have take Titch
Exactly, that's why I'm getting both lol
Dusty was ranted and raved about but when you look at his games statistically it's not like he was doing anything imposssible to replicate. The only glaring difference from the year prior was that he got his possessions in the front half of the ground and was able to hit the scoreboard. They aren't going to change that method
Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
That's a good point. However it's hard to start all the guns, 2 or 3 in most people's mids will have to be an upgrade target. Out of the top 3 priced mids Dusty is more likely to drop the most and be affordable than Danger and Mitchell. So it's weighing these two things up.
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Dusty hasn't stopped getting better yet, trust me ;) Where as I don't think T Mitch has mush improvement left, what you see is what you get!
Dusty has the perfect SC game ;D All great kicks with little handball (CD still cheat him ::) ), Mitch the opposite!
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Just being a realist mate, Richmond will be thereabouts but the game plan will be picked to shreds. Unless Dimma becomes the master strategist and pulls out another rabbit we'll be back with the pack. Brilliant season was 2017 but I honestly don't believe we are witnessing a dynasty.
Alright, let's compare the facts.
Tmitch:
- cheap accumulator.
- manlet height
- has freckles
- generic $20 haircut
- won't be tagged because nobody cares about him
Dusty
- heroic, all round player with hurt factor
- aesthetic 188cm
- has sick tatts
- a haircut that makes your wife swoon
- won't be tagged because he is god.
Obvious choice to me.
Who is more likely to pump out scores that you would be happy to have as Captain?
Go with that guy.
You got danger for captain scores. I'm going by the theory that they should both average around the same amount but dusty is the most likely to drop in price so therefore I will select titch.
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You got danger for captain scores. I'm going by the theory that they should both average around the same amount but dusty is the most likely to drop in price so therefore I will select titch.
Some don't have Danger for captain scores so for them in particular, Dusty is the better pick imo.
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You got danger for captain scores. I'm going by the theory that they should both average around the same amount but dusty is the most likely to drop in price so therefore I will select titch.
Some don't have Danger for captain scores so for them in particular, Dusty is the better pick imo.
If you don't have danger then should you be allowed to play?
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You got danger for captain scores. I'm going by the theory that they should both average around the same amount but dusty is the most likely to drop in price so therefore I will select titch.
Some don't have Danger for captain scores so for them in particular, Dusty is the better pick imo.
If you don't have danger then should you be allowed to play?
If you spend the cash from not starting Danger wisely and aim to bring him in asap then yes, you should be allowed to play.
In all seriousness how are you gonna spend 100k to make up 17 points x2 for captain scores plus the 2 or 3 trades you're gonna need to use to get him in?
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In all seriousness how are you gonna spend 100k to make up 17 points x2 for captain scores plus the 2 or 3 trades you're gonna need to use to get him in?
And that's the $50,000 question.
Anyway enough about Danger, we're derailing the thread.
You prefer Mitchell and I prefer Dusty. :)
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In all seriousness how are you gonna spend 100k to make up 17 points x2 for captain scores plus the 2 or 3 trades you're gonna need to use to get him in?
And that's the $50,000 question.
Anyway enough about Danger, we're derailing the thread.
You prefer Mitchell and I prefer Dusty. :)
Hahahah I don't prefer either, I rate em both highly and think they should average around the same. As you said dusty will have higher scores but he is also prone to the odd 70 or 50 so he should drop whereas Mitchell is consistently around that 115 mark. Both are solid picks.
It has been said on this thread many times that Dusty had a string of poor scores due to hip problems but people just keep on ignoring it!?!?!
Titchell averaged 47.3 possesions a game and averaged the same as an injured dusty ;)
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Just being a realist mate, Richmond will be thereabouts but the game plan will be picked to shreds. Unless Dimma becomes the master strategist and pulls out another rabbit we'll be back with the pack. Brilliant season was 2017 but I honestly don't believe we are witnessing a dynasty.
The game plan is all based around manic pressure and tackling so I don't know how you can stop that. It's up to Richmond if they want to bring it again and are hungry enough.
On Dusty, there's a chance he drops off a little but at worst he averages 115 and will still be in the top 5 scorers in the comp. Easier to just start the players you know will be the best of the best
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Just being a realist mate, Richmond will be thereabouts but the game plan will be picked to shreds. Unless Dimma becomes the master strategist and pulls out another rabbit we'll be back with the pack. Brilliant season was 2017 but I honestly don't believe we are witnessing a dynasty.
The game plan is all based around manic pressure and tackling so I don't know how you can stop that. It's up to Richmond if they want to bring it again and are hungry enough.
On Dusty, there's a chance he drops off a little but at worst he averages 115 and will still be in the top 5 scorers in the comp. Easier to just start the players you know will be the best of the best
There's only so many top players you can fit into the salary cap though. Got to leave a couple out, and looking at Dusty's history he is most prone to through out a low score. Even during his insane back half of last season he had a 70 odd score. Preferably you'd wanna start both but if for whatever reason you can't, dusty is the most likely to fall to a reasonable price to trade in. (In my opinion)
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Just being a realist mate, Richmond will be thereabouts but the game plan will be picked to shreds. Unless Dimma becomes the master strategist and pulls out another rabbit we'll be back with the pack. Brilliant season was 2017 but I honestly don't believe we are witnessing a dynasty.
The game plan is all based around manic pressure and tackling so I don't know how you can stop that. It's up to Richmond if they want to bring it again and are hungry enough.
On Dusty, there's a chance he drops off a little but at worst he averages 115 and will still be in the top 5 scorers in the comp. Easier to just start the players you know will be the best of the best
There's only so many top players you can fit into the salary cap though. Got to leave a couple out, and looking at Dusty's history he is most prone to through out a low score. Even during his insane back half of last season he had a 70 odd score. Preferably you'd wanna start both but if for whatever reason you can't, dusty is the most likely to fall to a reasonable price to trade in. (In my opinion)
Yes I agree I would pick Mitchell if I was choosing 1 to start. Danger, Dusty, Mitchell and Fyfe are locked for me though, I'll save money elsewhere
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Just being a realist mate, Richmond will be thereabouts but the game plan will be picked to shreds. Unless Dimma becomes the master strategist and pulls out another rabbit we'll be back with the pack. Brilliant season was 2017 but I honestly don't believe we are witnessing a dynasty.
The game plan is all based around manic pressure and tackling so I don't know how you can stop that. It's up to Richmond if they want to bring it again and are hungry enough.
On Dusty, there's a chance he drops off a little but at worst he averages 115 and will still be in the top 5 scorers in the comp. Easier to just start the players you know will be the best of the best
There's only so many top players you can fit into the salary cap though. Got to leave a couple out, and looking at Dusty's history he is most prone to through out a low score. Even during his insane back half of last season he had a 70 odd score. Preferably you'd wanna start both but if for whatever reason you can't, dusty is the most likely to fall to a reasonable price to trade in. (In my opinion)
Yes I agree I would pick Mitchell if I was choosing 1 to start. Danger, Dusty, Mitchell and Fyfe are locked for me though, I'll save money elsewhere
Yeah agreed, although I'm tossing up between dusty and Ablett cause I can't help myself.
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Including finals as well, Martin averaged 122 for the season. That 122 also includes games where he played with a fractured cheekbone and games where he played with a flexor strain. Absolutely has improvement in him, a clean bill of health and he'll back up and go 120+ again.
He might but he will also throw in a few stinkers which will force his price down.
Most players have some stinkers if you are going to start him you don't care about price it's all about having the player that can pump out the big scores and he can do that
It's the same reason I won't start with KP forwards, high standard deviation players are best left for trading when the time is right.
He scored 54 in R4 when he had a hip problem then 92 93 87 after that probably because of hip and 74 in R16 all the rest were 100+ so you could argue without the hip flexor problem early he could have had a higher avg. cant see huge deviation in those scores but any player can get injured or play through injuries that affect scores ..... watch out if he stays fit
Dusty just had what Leigh Matthews described as the best season of football he has ever witnessed by an individual, don't think he can back that up to be honest. Don't think Richmond will win the flag again either. Happy to sit this one out, there's just way too much value in the 520-580k bracket.
As a Tiges supporter you disappoint me Bully with all this negative talk wash your mouth out with soap :P
Just being a realist mate, Richmond will be thereabouts but the game plan will be picked to shreds. Unless Dimma becomes the master strategist and pulls out another rabbit we'll be back with the pack. Brilliant season was 2017 but I honestly don't believe we are witnessing a dynasty.
The game plan is all based around manic pressure and tackling so I don't know how you can stop that. It's up to Richmond if they want to bring it again and are hungry enough.
On Dusty, there's a chance he drops off a little but at worst he averages 115 and will still be in the top 5 scorers in the comp. Easier to just start the players you know will be the best of the best
There's only so many top players you can fit into the salary cap though. Got to leave a couple out, and looking at Dusty's history he is most prone to through out a low score. Even during his insane back half of last season he had a 70 odd score. Preferably you'd wanna start both but if for whatever reason you can't, dusty is the most likely to fall to a reasonable price to trade in. (In my opinion)
Yes I agree I would pick Mitchell if I was choosing 1 to start. Danger, Dusty, Mitchell and Fyfe are locked for me though, I'll save money elsewhere
Yeah agreed, although I'm tossing up between dusty and Ablett cause I can't help myself.
Haha Dusty never misses games so that makes the decision easy for me
Yep I agree with Q start the best of the best Danger , Dusty , Mitchell , Fyfe plus one more and save elsewhere then see what the other spuds can produce before doing upgrades :P
Mitchell because of consistency and the chance of Richmond doing a bulldogs. Got both atm though.
Tmitch, but I just brought Dusty into my team yesterday as well :P