Looks like his days as a FWD are over and he already had some nice scores down back in the second part of the season last year , reading from the Hawks intra club match he was a standout down back.
I am starting to realize I need to free up some more cash for other lines and with him just over 400K he is looking tempting instead of a 550K priced player ..... any thoughts ?
The return of Stratton Frawley and Birch is my main concern.
Because of this guys like Sicily and Burton are a no for me
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The return of Stratton Frawley and Birch is my main concern.
Because of this guys like Sicily and Burton are a no for me
But all those guys are old and flogged out surely it would not affect a young bloke he is the future?
Quote from: Gigantor on February 10, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
The return of Stratton Frawley and Birch is my main concern.
Because of this guys like Sicily and Burton are a no for me
On the other hand, it means Sicily is playing on the 4th best defender and has more opportunity to run amok.
Would certainly be a risky starting pick, difficult to trust as he's been shown to be susceptible to a hard tag while playing the fantasy relevant role down back. Scored just 25SC from 89% TOG in Round 22 2017.
Quote from: fanTCfool on February 10, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
Would certainly be a risky starting pick, difficult to trust as he's been shown to be susceptible to a hard tag while playing the fantasy relevant role down back. Scored just 25SC from 89% TOG in Round 22 2017.
Yep that is a worry but to our disgust our players do get tagged from time to time , not a sure thing but worth watching over JLT
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Quote from: fanTCfool on February 10, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
Would certainly be a risky starting pick, difficult to trust as he's been shown to be susceptible to a hard tag while playing the fantasy relevant role down back. Scored just 25SC from 89% TOG in Round 22 2017.
Yep that is a worry but to our disgust our players do get tagged from time to time , not a sure thing but worth watching over JLT
The problem is not so much that he drew the tag, but how much it limited his scoring. If he was tagged and still managed 70 odd points it would be far less of a concern than scoring in the 20s, far less than what's probably sitting on the pine.
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Would certainly be a risky starting pick, difficult to trust as he's been shown to be susceptible to a hard tag while playing the fantasy relevant role down back. Scored just 25SC from 89% TOG in Round 22 2017.
Yep that is a worry but to our disgust our players do get tagged from time to time , not a sure thing but worth watching over JLT
The problem is not so much that he drew the tag, but how much it limited his scoring. If he was tagged and still managed 70 odd points it would be far less of a concern than scoring in the 20s, far less than what's probably sitting on the pine.
To be fair to him it was probably his first time to be tagged like that thus the score , he is only young and sure he learnt a lot from that day but you don't have to tell me how infuriating it is when your player is hard tagged I had Sloane last year when he had 5 or 6 shockers ....... season over >:(
Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
Quote from: SilverLion on February 10, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
His face is quite offputting.
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Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
His face is quite offputting.
Yep first thing I look at as well personality and looks ::)
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Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
His face is quite offputting.
Yep first thing I look at as well personality and looks ::)
*second thing
Unless you count the poos and wees guernsey under looks
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Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
His face is quite offputting.
Yep first thing I look at as well personality and looks ::)
*second thing
Unless you count the poos and wees guernsey under looks
I take it Jacobs has no chance to get a gig in your team ? ;D
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Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
His face is quite offputting.
Yep first thing I look at as well personality and looks ::)
*second thing
Unless you count the poos and wees guernsey under looks
I take it Jacobs has no chance to get a gig in your team ? ;D
What's wrong with a bit of Sauce?!
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Dear god no. Can't stand this bloke.
His face is quite offputting.
Yep first thing I look at as well personality and looks ::)
*second thing
Unless you count the poos and wees guernsey under looks
I take it Jacobs has no chance to get a gig in your team ? ;D
What's wrong with a bit of Sauce?!
+1
Ok back onto Sicily as a footballer :P
Quote from: Gigantor on February 10, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
The return of Stratton Frawley and Birch is my main concern.
Because of this guys like Sicily and Burton are a no for me
4% and 3% making them massive PODS for me, I got both. ;)
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Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 12, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Very true but every year after we have our perfect team put together we usually find that not all our cheap rookies get a game and we have to spend more and that usually means downgrading one or two of our premos to the dreaded 350-400K class of player and this year my candidates are Mills , Sicily and heaven forbid Stringer.
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Quote from: LordSneeze on February 12, 2018, 12:00:00 PM
Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Very true but every year after we have our perfect team put together we usually find that not all our cheap rookies get a game and we have to spend more and that usually means downgrading one or two of our premos to the dreaded 350-400K class of player and this year my candidates are Mills , Sicily and heaven forbid Stringer.
Part of the reason I build my teams using more expensive rookies. Much easier to downgrade the rookie and upgrade elsewhere than do the other way around.
Normally if I need to downgrade its either a Prem to a less solid Prem or an Extra rookie. The Mid price is fraught with danger so I always try to avoid those picks. Im not talking the ones priced lower than output, but the true breakout mid pricers.
100% locked
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Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Very true but every year after we have our perfect team put together we usually find that not all our cheap rookies get a game and we have to spend more and that usually means downgrading one or two of our premos to the dreaded 350-400K class of player and this year my candidates are Mills , Sicily and heaven forbid Stringer.
Part of the reason I build my teams using more expensive rookies. Much easier to downgrade the rookie and upgrade elsewhere than do the other way around.
Normally if I need to downgrade its either a Prem to a less solid Prem or an Extra rookie. The Mid price is fraught with danger so I always try to avoid those picks. Im not talking the ones priced lower than output, but the true breakout mid pricers.
Hard to downgrade the expensive rookie if there not enough cheapie rookies to start ;D What is the saying the best laid plans of mice and men ;)
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Haha! Well you heard the man
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Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Very true but every year after we have our perfect team put together we usually find that not all our cheap rookies get a game and we have to spend more and that usually means downgrading one or two of our premos to the dreaded 350-400K class of player and this year my candidates are Mills , Sicily and heaven forbid Stringer.
Part of the reason I build my teams using more expensive rookies. Much easier to downgrade the rookie and upgrade elsewhere than do the other way around.
Normally if I need to downgrade its either a Prem to a less solid Prem or an Extra rookie. The Mid price is fraught with danger so I always try to avoid those picks. Im not talking the ones priced lower than output, but the true breakout mid pricers.
Hard to downgrade the expensive rookie if there not enough cheapie rookies to start ;D What is the saying the best laid plans of mice and men ;)
Its easier to downgrade and expensive rookie to a cheap playing rookie than upgrading a non playing rookie to an expensive rookie.
One requires no changes to the team, but give you extra cash to upgrade other positions
The other requires downgrade on other positions to get the cash to upgrade the rookie.
That is the reason I build my draft teams with expensive rookies.
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Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Very true but every year after we have our perfect team put together we usually find that not all our cheap rookies get a game and we have to spend more and that usually means downgrading one or two of our premos to the dreaded 350-400K class of player and this year my candidates are Mills , Sicily and heaven forbid Stringer.
Part of the reason I build my teams using more expensive rookies. Much easier to downgrade the rookie and upgrade elsewhere than do the other way around.
Normally if I need to downgrade its either a Prem to a less solid Prem or an Extra rookie. The Mid price is fraught with danger so I always try to avoid those picks. Im not talking the ones priced lower than output, but the true breakout mid pricers.
Hard to downgrade the expensive rookie if there not enough cheapie rookies to start ;D What is the saying the best laid plans of mice and men ;)
Its easier to downgrade and expensive rookie to a cheap playing rookie than upgrading a non playing rookie to an expensive rookie.
One requires no changes to the team, but give you extra cash to upgrade other positions
The other requires downgrade on other positions to get the cash to upgrade the rookie.
That is the reason I build my draft teams with expensive rookies.
Makes sense to me,but as Shaker said what if there's no cheap rookies(that u don't own already) to downgrade to?
Say u have LDU and Brodie plus all the cheaper rookies available. Then one gets injured or doesn't get selected. You'd have to find cash to upgrade them to a mid pricer or prem anyway.
I agree it's better to plan with a few expensive rookies but u never know what if any cheaper ones will be available.
On Sicily, he's one of many around that price in the fwds that could fill F3/4. There's also Curnow,Lobb,DeGoey,Smith,Petracca and with nearly all top ten priced fwds having some preseason setbacks we might have to choose 1 or 2 of these types.
Also throw in Walters and Stringer.
If Sicily was a sure thing to play down back I'd be considering very strongly.
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Gunston was played down back last year aswell and looked really good. These picks are speculative at best and 1 in 50 might come off as a good pick. Better to hold off and upgrade to the 1 than risk the other 49.
Very true but every year after we have our perfect team put together we usually find that not all our cheap rookies get a game and we have to spend more and that usually means downgrading one or two of our premos to the dreaded 350-400K class of player and this year my candidates are Mills , Sicily and heaven forbid Stringer.
Part of the reason I build my teams using more expensive rookies. Much easier to downgrade the rookie and upgrade elsewhere than do the other way around.
Normally if I need to downgrade its either a Prem to a less solid Prem or an Extra rookie. The Mid price is fraught with danger so I always try to avoid those picks. Im not talking the ones priced lower than output, but the true breakout mid pricers.
Hard to downgrade the expensive rookie if there not enough cheapie rookies to start ;D What is the saying the best laid plans of mice and men ;)
Its easier to downgrade and expensive rookie to a cheap playing rookie than upgrading a non playing rookie to an expensive rookie.
One requires no changes to the team, but give you extra cash to upgrade other positions
The other requires downgrade on other positions to get the cash to upgrade the rookie.
That is the reason I build my draft teams with expensive rookies.
Makes sense to me,but as Shaker said what if there's no cheap rookies(that u don't own already) to downgrade to?
Say u have LDU and Brodie plus all the cheaper rookies available. Then one gets injured or doesn't get selected. You'd have to find cash to upgrade them to a mid pricer or prem anyway.
I agree it's better to plan with a few expensive rookies but u never know what if any cheaper ones will be available.
Difference is I don't plan with more than 1 or 2 cheaper rookies, right now my draft team has not only 3 rookies under 150k in it.
Went down back from Round 14 onwards
93
87
109
46
104
97
130
107
25
116
That's actually a lot better than I thought. The 25 is a shocker but he did have 10 clangers LOL and just 13 touches. 14 touches in the 46 score, but he had 20+ in all other scores so seems to have the ability to go 90+ when he gets 20+ touches
Another preseason under his belt and the fact that most defenders aren't consistent too has all of a sudden put this bloke on my radar, to my surprise
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Went down back from Round 14 onwards
93
87
109
46
104
97
130
107
25
116
That's actually a lot better than I thought. The 25 is a shocker but he did have 10 clangers LOL and just 13 touches. 14 touches in the 46 score, but he had 20+ in all other scores so seems to have the ability to go 90+ when he gets 20+ touches
Another preseason under his belt and the fact that most defenders aren't consistent too has all of a sudden put this bloke on my radar, to my surprise
The 25 was when he was tagged by Jed Lamb against Carlton. Bolton sent him to legit be in his ear the whole game and he gave away like 8 free kicks that game, including a few 50 metre pens.
Sicily has changed numbers from 21 to 6. Obviously meaning he'll rack up +6's everywhere! #lock
The plus with him is DEF/FWD if someone like Ballenden manages to get a shot R1 that makes Sicily quite tempting have him sitting D/3 ATM .
Quote from: shaker on February 15, 2018, 12:26:13 PM
The plus with him is DEF/FWD if someone like Ballenden manages to get a shot R1 that makes Sicily quite tempting have him sitting D/3 ATM .
Keeffe the more likely DPP option
If you start Sicily down back then plonk Keeffe at F8
Something I am seriously considering
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The plus with him is DEF/FWD if someone like Ballenden manages to get a shot R1 that makes Sicily quite tempting have him sitting D/3 ATM .
Keeffe the more likely DPP option
If you start Sicily down back then plonk Keeffe at F8
Something I am seriously considering
I am more confident of defenders this season than forwards, so at the moment he's sitting as my F2. Feels very strange!
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The plus with him is DEF/FWD if someone like Ballenden manages to get a shot R1 that makes Sicily quite tempting have him sitting D/3 ATM .
Keeffe the more likely DPP option
If you start Sicily down back then plonk Keeffe at F8
Something I am seriously considering
With Lobb looking like not starting round 1 Keeffe is firming
Im a sucker for Sic, he's slipped his way into D4, shaw is laters. The Link with Keeffe is a deal breaker cause Keeffe was already slotted in
Just said he plans to spend the majority of his time down back. Locking him away and throwing away the key.
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Just said he plans to spend the majority of his time down back. Locking him away and throwing away the key.
I'd recommend a spare key
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Just said he plans to spend the majority of his time down back. Locking him away and throwing away the key.
I'd recommend a spare key
Very grateful not many people like him IRL. It's about the only thing preventing him from being in so many teams. Hoping for Jeremy Howe 2.0.
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Just said he plans to spend the majority of his time down back. Locking him away and throwing away the key.
I'd recommend a spare key
;D
Can't say I'm enthused about this pick, too many proven performers in the pack.
Have him in my fwd line atm finding that to b a tricky line
Hadn't considered him at all, but those numbers are pretty damn good
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Just said he plans to spend the majority of his time down back. Locking him away and throwing away the key.
I'd recommend a spare key
Very grateful not many people like him IRL. It's about the only thing preventing him from being in so many teams. Hoping for Jeremy Howe 2.0.
Yep who cares about his personality I'm only thinking SC scoring , he actually reminds me of a young Dermie and he went ok :D
Still think there is to many unknowns in the Hawks defensive set up.
I'll consider him if the rookie situations is flowered and I need a cheaper option
Also he won't be averaging 100+ so you might pay 50k more than his starting price to bring him in later
Quote from: Gigantor on February 17, 2018, 01:57:11 PM
Still think there is to many unknowns in the Hawks defensive set up.
I'll consider him if the rookie situations is flowered and I need a cheaper option
Also he won't be averaging 100+ so you might pay 50k more than his starting price to bring him in later
how could you possibly know he wont average 100+??
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Still think there is to many unknowns in the Hawks defensive set up.
I'll consider him if the rookie situations is flowered and I need a cheaper option
Also he won't be averaging 100+ so you might pay 50k more than his starting price to bring him in later
how could you possibly know he wont average 100+??
Sorry should have snuck a imo in there somewhere :P
Not for me at this stage
He's now in the frame for me, need to take a risk & worst case is he averages 80. To be honest I don't like his face & don't like his Instagram messages but in the end he has DPP & has scored 5 tons & 3 more scores over 80. The 25 & 46 look pretty bad but even Dusty has a 25 to his name. I'll also consider bringing in a floating donut depending on R3.
Averaged 90 in a position he hadn't done a preseason in before... He's done one there now and will be better for it. Be shocked if he's not in the top 15 defenders come season end.
Surely he would be first tagged every week, Hawthorn have always liked to play with ‘drive’ out of their backline and there isn’t anyone else down there to tag. It’s pretty common knowledge how he reacts to the niggling and the tag....
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Surely he would be first tagged every week, Hawthorn have always liked to play with ‘drive’ out of their backline and there isn’t anyone else down there to tag. It’s pretty common knowledge how he reacts to the niggling and the tag....
Kind of like tagging Jeremy Howe or Heath Shaw, can't tag interceptors... Same concept as tagging a contested possession bull in the midfield, rarely effective. (JPK)
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Surely he would be first tagged every week, Hawthorn have always liked to play with ‘drive’ out of their backline and there isn’t anyone else down there to tag. It’s pretty common knowledge how he reacts to the niggling and the tag....
Kind of like tagging Jeremy Howe or Heath Shaw, can't tag interceptors... Same concept as tagging a contested possession bull in the midfield, rarely effective. (JPK)
Accept he was tagged effectively last year.
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Surely he would be first tagged every week, Hawthorn have always liked to play with ‘drive’ out of their backline and there isn’t anyone else down there to tag. It’s pretty common knowledge how he reacts to the niggling and the tag....
Kind of like tagging Jeremy Howe or Heath Shaw, can't tag interceptors... Same concept as tagging a contested possession bull in the midfield, rarely effective. (JPK)
It's not necessarily a hard tag but just now allowing them to be lose man in defence collecting the intercepts. When Howe was manned up he was dropping 60s.
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Surely he would be first tagged every week, Hawthorn have always liked to play with ‘drive’ out of their backline and there isn’t anyone else down there to tag. It’s pretty common knowledge how he reacts to the niggling and the tag....
Kind of like tagging Jeremy Howe or Heath Shaw, can't tag interceptors... Same concept as tagging a contested possession bull in the midfield, rarely effective. (JPK)
Accept he was tagged effectively last year.
He was tagged effectively last year did not handle it well gave away 7 frees and some 50m penalties he is young and would have learnt from that and Clarko would have sat him down he is a great coach but Bont also got tagged in round 22 and scored 45 , there only a few players that I can think of that don't get affected by hard tags and anyone else in your team that consistently plays well could be subject to a hard tag so best not to worry about it to much.
Any worry about GUNston stealing some points? Did the exact same thing as Sicily in the second half of the year and to the same effect.
Quote from: _wato on February 19, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
Any worry about GUNston stealing some points? Did the exact same thing as Sicily in the second half of the year and to the same effect.
All reports are that Gunston is back training with forwards which makes sense now that Birch and Strat are back
Quote from: Woppa15 on February 19, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
Surely he would be first tagged every week, Hawthorn have always liked to play with ‘drive’ out of their backline and there isn’t anyone else down there to tag. It’s pretty common knowledge how he reacts to the niggling and the tag....
Depends which team he's playing; whether they play a defensive forward or whether they don't.
All good players cop a tag at some time - remember Zorko last season; even GAJ by McAffer. Go on their best overall performances and Sicily has to be in
Quote from: fasttrack13 on February 19, 2018, 01:09:36 AM
Averaged 90 in a position he hadn't done a preseason in before... He's done one there now and will be better for it. Be shocked if he's not in the top 15 defenders come season end.
Forwards people. Listen...
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Quote from: fasttrack13 on February 19, 2018, 01:09:36 AM
Averaged 90 in a position he hadn't done a preseason in before... He's done one there now and will be better for it. Be shocked if he's not in the top 15 defenders come season end.
Forwards people. Listen...
Ideally I'd pick him as a forward but it's D 4 I'm struggling with. Despite injury concerns of top priced fwds I've filled F1-3 easily and there's Bundy,AhChee and at this stage more rookies looking likely so he fits in down back atm.
Can easily be moved fwd later with a rookie D/F.
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Averaged 90 in a position he hadn't done a preseason in before... He's done one there now and will be better for it. Be shocked if he's not in the top 15 defenders come season end.
Forwards people. Listen...
Ideally I'd pick him as a forward but it's D 4 I'm struggling with. Despite injury concerns of top priced fwds I've filled F1-3 easily and there's Bundy,AhChee and at this stage more rookies looking likely so he fits in down back atm.
Can easily be moved fwd later with a rookie D/F.
Simples see where the rookies fall for R1 FWD & DEF and make a decision where you need to use him on that ;)
Seems to be gaining popularity but I don't really get the hype.
There's a couple of other options around the same price in both the fwds and defs that I personally prefer.
Quote from: Nige on February 21, 2018, 06:47:07 PM
Seems to be gaining popularity but I don't really get the hype.
There's a couple of other options around the same price in both the fwds and defs that I personally prefer.
8% ownership which isn't outlandish, certainly carries risk but he'll be great over the bye period if he can hit a 90 average. Second most intercept marks over the period he was a rebounder (Rance first).
Prefer Robbo/Lobb as well for a similar price.
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Averaged 90 in a position he hadn't done a preseason in before... He's done one there now and will be better for it. Be shocked if he's not in the top 15 defenders come season end.
Forwards people. Listen...
Ideally I'd pick him as a forward but it's D 4 I'm struggling with. Despite injury concerns of top priced fwds I've filled F1-3 easily and there's Bundy,AhChee and at this stage more rookies looking likely so he fits in down back atm.
Can easily be moved fwd later with a rookie D/F.
Simples see where the rookies fall for R1 FWD & DEF and make a decision where you need to use him on that ;)
Yep agree. I have him right now but will start him on whatever line def/fwd has less rookies im confident in
When your boy bangs out a 115 :-*
Quote from: enzedder on February 18, 2018, 06:41:17 PM
Not for me at this stage
Two weeks is a long time in footy.
At this stage he is in my team.
A lockity lock for me in my fwd line since day dot
Its not the score, but confirmation on the role and how he will play that locks him in for me.
I feel dirty that I'm even considering the bloke but he looks damn good in the role.
I think I'm just finding it hard to get past that punchable face. :P
Quote from: Nige on March 03, 2018, 10:00:49 PM
I feel dirty that I'm even considering the bloke but he looks damn good in the role.
I think I'm just finding it hard to get past that punchable face. :P
Haha so true. Does play the role very well though
Quote from: LordSneeze on March 03, 2018, 09:05:40 PM
Its not the score, but confirmation on the role and how he will play that locks him in for me.
Yep this. Just hope he stays down back most games as he could still be used fwd with his versatility especially if Roughy or Gunston go down. For 400 k someone who can tonne up on the regular and is only going to improve is worth the risk considering the alternatives at that price point.
Quote from: Nige on March 03, 2018, 10:00:49 PM
I feel dirty that I'm even considering the bloke but he looks damn good in the role.
I think I'm just finding it hard to get past that punchable face. :P
He's up there with Neville Bruns for aesthetics but looked super with his intercept marking & run & carry. If in doubt you have to give him the nod given he has DPP.
He's like a young heath shaw in role and hopefully scoring potential. He's definitely a young heath shaw in attitude and just being a general campaigner
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
A lockity lock for me in my fwd line since day dot
Lol I'll call BS there :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
A lockity lock for me in my fwd line since day dot
Lol I'll call BS there :P
Hah, go for it.
My first draft is always full of spec picks and I ween them out slowly as I get more scared. Sicdog has been there since I made my team
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
A lockity lock for me in my fwd line since day dot
Lol I'll call BS there :P
Hah, go for it.
My first draft is always full of spec picks and I ween them out slowly as I get more scared. Sicdog has been there since I made my team
Great pick then, but unfortunately he probably won't be a POD for you anymore :(
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
Great pick then, but unfortunately he probably won't be a POD for you anymore :(
He's as good as pick as Sam Docherty at this point. Both players have 0 points from 0 games :P
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
A lockity lock for me in my fwd line since day dot
Lol I'll call BS there :P
Hah, go for it.
My first draft is always full of spec picks and I ween them out slowly as I get more scared. Sicdog has been there since I made my team
Great pick then, but unfortunately he probably won't be a POD for you anymore :(
I can see Sic's ownership skyrocketing from here!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 03, 2018, 10:59:18 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 03, 2018, 08:55:07 PM
A lockity lock for me in my fwd line since day dot
Lol I'll call BS there :P
Hah, go for it.
My first draft is always full of spec picks and I ween them out slowly as I get more scared. Sicdog has been there since I made my team
Great pick then, but unfortunately he probably won't be a POD for you anymore :(
He'll be a rollercoaster, but more highs than lows imo. An average of 95+ is possible
I remember the days when he was in 2% of teams. Almost tempted to jump off as a POD and hope he fails miserably.
Quote from: Adamant on March 03, 2018, 11:23:34 PM
I remember the days when he was in 2% of teams. Almost tempted to jump off as a POD and hope he fails miserably.
Will he definitely play half back when Hawthorn have all their backs available?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 04, 2018, 12:17:08 AM
Will he definitely play half back when Hawthorn have all their backs available?
According to Clarko he will play defence (info courtesy of pre-match interview).
Frawley, Stratton, Birch etc none of them can intercept mark like Sicily
I didn't want to but I'm gonna have to consider him now if that's the case
Still can't stand this bloke, but when all things are considered: price, DPP, bye, role; he just seems to good to go past.
Never thought the day would come, but he's definitely in consideration for my side.
Still can't stand him though. Even in the JLT game he gave away a stupid 50 in the last minutes out of pure frustration, so it's sad that he's still got that in his game.
Quote from: SilverLion on March 04, 2018, 10:18:19 AM
Still can't stand this bloke, but when all things are considered: price, DPP, bye, role; he just seems to good to go past.
Never thought the day would come, but he's definitely in consideration for my side.
Still can't stand him though. Even in the JLT game he gave away a stupid 50 in the last minutes out of pure frustration, so it's sad that he's still got that in his game.
this.
The guy is a gun. Hilariously entertaining to watch. Miss out at your own risk.
I kind of like him now, because clearly hating him is so mainstream
Yeah Sicily is a really terrible person, none of you guys should pick him.
Pretty please.
In my side atm and will be unless he gives me a reason not to. Still can’t stand him though ;D
The more I think about it the more i want him in my side.
perfect bye, DPP (switch with Keefe), cheap for a F3/D3 and could go 90+ and be a D6/F6 keeper.
Yeah the DPP will give u more options with fielding rookies early. Whichever line has the weakest scorers u put him on that line. Then later on adds trading flexibility and floating donut ability.
But this shouldn't be the main reason to pick him. He's obviously gotta score well which he can if playing predominantly as a intercept back. Just have to hope nothing happens to the Hawks fwds.
Hard not to pick him now. He suits this role and scores well in it.
Forward tag
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Would you start him in the FWDS or DEF assuming you don't Keefe to switch around?
Quote from: Hazza09 on March 05, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
Would you start him in the FWDS or DEF assuming you don't Keefe to switch around?
FWDs for mine. Def premos are easier to fill.
If there aren't enough good rookies available come round 1 though, may be forced to have him at D4.
I'd DEF have him in my FWD if I were to pick him.
Had him locked back when he was at 2% ownership ::)
Quote from: Hazza09 on March 05, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
Would you start him in the FWDS or DEF assuming you don't Keefe to switch around?
Will depend on number of rookies for each line. At the moment looks like we will have a few in defence so atm he is starting at F4 with Bundy at F5. Doedee, Naughton, Finlayson, Coffield and Keeffe may 5 def rookies at the moment as well.
Quote from: SilverLion on March 05, 2018, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Hazza09 on March 05, 2018, 01:37:02 PM
Would you start him in the FWDS or DEF assuming you don't Keefe to switch around?
FWDs for mine. Def premos are easier to fill.
If there aren't enough good rookies available come round 1 though, may be forced to have him at D4.
I'm finding fwd premos easier. Billings,Heeney,Buddy,Smith,McLean,Dahl,Walters so many choices between 450 > 540k. Plus Bundy picks himself at his price, so there's another spot.
Apart from Hibberd and Laird I see little options. Hurley and Yeo overpriced especially if going the aforementioned 2. Simpson's ok but I see no upside he's getting on and 90 is the most your likely to get. Don't trust any of Brayshaw,LMac,Witherden,Savage.
Hanley I've considered but doubt he's going to get much mid time with all the young suns. Heater burnt me last year and I think he's slowing down,Griffen / Lids could play his old role pushing him to a wing which is an unknown.
I think Sicily at D3 leaves alot of cash for other lines (as long as we get back rookies), but harder to swing him fwd in that case. I'll be picking him, I guess the rookies will help decide where.
Is everyone with Sicily locking in Keefe at the other end?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 05, 2018, 07:24:45 PM
Is everyone with Sicily locking in Keefe at the other end?
Yep
What if Sis is named but Keefe isn't?
I'll take JJ over Sis me thinks.
Quote from: meow meow on March 05, 2018, 07:38:18 PM
What if Sis is named but Keefe isn't?
I'll take JJ over Sis me thinks.
Floating donut
D8 is a fairly irrelevant position anyway. Less cash generation but not like most D8's make much anyway
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 05, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 05, 2018, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 05, 2018, 07:24:45 PM
Is everyone with Sicily locking in Keefe at the other end?
Yep
+1
No brainer
As long as he is named R1 got caught last year when I tried a floating DPP donut in the mid fwd it's ok when all your other rookies are playing turned out a disaster when they are not and you get one or two 2 week injuries at the same time plus you make no cash
Much prefer to have a playing F/D rookie with Sicily.
It's likely no rookie ruck gets named so otherwise that's two positions not making cash. If someone like Garlett gets dropped or scores 30s that's 3.
Hopefully there's a rookie u missed to trade to but u may find u have them all already and you're stuck with 3 players not making cash.
Maybe starting Cameron/Pittonet/English or someone who may get games over Olango would be the go if starting Keefe and he's not named.
Quote from: ubeaut on March 05, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Much prefer to have a playing F/D rookie with Sicily.
It's likely no rookie ruck gets named so otherwise that's two positions not making cash. If someone like Garlett gets dropped or scores 30s that's 3.
Hopefully there's a rookie u missed to trade to but u may find u have them all already and you're stuck with 3 players not making cash.
Maybe starting Cameron/Pittonet/English or someone who may get games over Olango would be the go if starting Keefe and he's not named.
Pretty confident that Keeffe will get a game eventually, doesn't need to make cash straight away.
Quote from: Bully on March 05, 2018, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 05, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Much prefer to have a playing F/D rookie with Sicily.
It's likely no rookie ruck gets named so otherwise that's two positions not making cash. If someone like Garlett gets dropped or scores 30s that's 3.
Hopefully there's a rookie u missed to trade to but u may find u have them all already and you're stuck with 3 players not making cash.
Maybe starting Cameron/Pittonet/English or someone who may get games over Olango would be the go if starting Keefe and he's not named.
Pretty confident that Keeffe will get a game eventually, doesn't need to make cash straight away.
I've got my doubts about that. Hasn't played in 3 years. Yes there was the drug ban, but didn't play last year with a side that finished a lot lower than GWS. This is his 10th season and he is now 27 and has played a total of 35 career matches.
My thoughts, if you're going to play Sicily is not to waste a player to switch him with and not generate any cash.
If Keeffe plays two games into the season and looks like he will play more, then grab him, but not at the start
Quote from: ubeaut on March 05, 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Much prefer to have a playing F/D rookie with Sicily.
It's likely no rookie ruck gets named so otherwise that's two positions not making cash. If someone like Garlett gets dropped or scores 30s that's 3.
Hopefully there's a rookie u missed to trade to but u may find u have them all already and you're stuck with 3 players not making cash.
Maybe starting Cameron/Pittonet/English or someone who may get games over Olango would be the go if starting Keefe and he's not named.
who is most likely of ruck rookies to get a game
No chance am i paying 400k+ for him.
if you compare him to forwards in a similar price range you have Devon Smith who has gone 90 88 82 80 the last 4 years and is looking like a role change. So he has more upside with less downside for what 30k more.
I understand he put up 91 in his last 10 games, including a few monsters. There are way too many question marks around him. At his price he has to basically become a premo to be a good pick and anything less then 80 would be a huge failure. The hawk back line is in flux, who knows what happens if birchall comes back. Soo many question marks the odds of this of paying off great is extremely high, id say the odds of people walking out of this on par is high.
Not the same position but Armitage and JOM could beat him easily for 100k less.
Won't get a touch when Easton Wood forward tags the waste matter out of him.
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 11:12:03 AM
No chance am i paying 400k+ for him.
if you compare him to forwards in a similar price range you have Devon Smith who has gone 90 88 82 80 the last 4 years and is looking like a role change. So he has more upside with less downside for what 30k more.
I understand he put up 91 in his last 10 games, including a few monsters. There are way too many question marks around him. At his price he has to basically become a premo to be a good pick and anything less then 80 would be a huge failure. The hawk back line is in flux, who knows what happens if birchall comes back. Soo many question marks the odds of this of paying off great is extremely high, id say the odds of people walking out of this on par is high.
Not the same position but Armitage and JOM could beat him easily for 100k less.
Not sure you can compare him to Devon Smith, as most teams will have him as well given the lack of confidence in top end fwd premos.
Everyone picking him has confidence of 90+, and thats a risk you have to take. If you think he goes sub 85 then don't pick him.
"If" Birchall comes back. More injury prone than Brad Crouch atm and thats saying something. Plus with the praise Clarko has been heaping on Sic all season, he's hardly going to change his role now.
Again, most have JOM already... And I'm definitely taking Sic as a fwd/def over Armo as a mid haha
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 11:12:03 AM
No chance am i paying 400k+ for him.
if you compare him to forwards in a similar price range you have Devon Smith who has gone 90 88 82 80 the last 4 years and is looking like a role change. So he has more upside with less downside for what 30k more.
I understand he put up 91 in his last 10 games, including a few monsters. There are way too many question marks around him. At his price he has to basically become a premo to be a good pick and anything less then 80 would be a huge failure. The hawk back line is in flux, who knows what happens if birchall comes back. Soo many question marks the odds of this of paying off great is extremely high, id say the odds of people walking out of this on par is high.
Not the same position but Armitage and JOM could beat him easily for 100k less.
He's also a back and can be swung there throughout the year. Then there's the floating donut that many are considering, not to mention the flexibility over the bye period. Think you are over thinking this one a bit. The stat that clinched it for me was his intercept marking, second only to Alex Rance over the last 10 games.
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 11:12:03 AM
No chance am i paying 400k+ for him.
if you compare him to forwards in a similar price range you have Devon Smith who has gone 90 88 82 80 the last 4 years and is looking like a role change. So he has more upside with less downside for what 30k more.
I understand he put up 91 in his last 10 games, including a few monsters. There are way too many question marks around him. At his price he has to basically become a premo to be a good pick and anything less then 80 would be a huge failure. The hawk back line is in flux, who knows what happens if birchall comes back. Soo many question marks the odds of this of paying off great is extremely high, id say the odds of people walking out of this on par is high.
Not the same position but Armitage and JOM could beat him easily for 100k less.
He's also a back and can be swung there throughout the year. Then there's the floating donut that many are considering, not to mention the flexibility over the bye period. Think you are over thinking this one a bit. The stat that clinched it for me was his intercept marking, second only to Alex Rance over the last 10 games.
I really dont think im the one overthinking this.
Im hearing alot of talk of his DPP and floating donuts, yeah that might be a good play in the back half of the year. That is overthinking it for now.
realistically people are selecting a 10 game period and then it seems just locking that in as his average. The guy has played 43 games and people just want to take a snap shot of that. I get that was with a role switch but your banking on a guy keeping the fantasy favorable role and also keeping up a purple patch.
@ele
i think the comparison to Smith is very fair. There are quite a few good cheap options up front in my books and I have never even had to consider Sicily at all, i just brought in Smith yesterday for Heeney. Smith is the direct correlation as he is almost the same price with the same upside (or more) with far far less downside.
If people think he is going to go 90+ then pick him. All i can say is good luck, if he goes 75-80 what in the world will you do. Armitage is just an example, you could even say Congilio v Sicily. Conigs has gone 91 105 and a injury affected 91 and is only 50k more.
Sicily to me is a crazy pick. I might turn out wrong as the upside is certainly there but the odds are certainly in my favour. the DPP and floating donut strategy is great but why wouldn't you wait to see if he proves himself? he has already shown that he can put up a couple of shockers (which hawk defenders historically do).
I just looked at his predicted price if he repeated his last 10 games back to back last year. He goes up from 402k to 476k then back to 456k then he rises up to 500k then goes back down to 463k. So thats if he averages 91 you can pick him up later in the season for 50k or more with alot more certainty then you can have your F/D play.
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:12:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 11:12:03 AM
No chance am i paying 400k+ for him.
if you compare him to forwards in a similar price range you have Devon Smith who has gone 90 88 82 80 the last 4 years and is looking like a role change. So he has more upside with less downside for what 30k more.
I understand he put up 91 in his last 10 games, including a few monsters. There are way too many question marks around him. At his price he has to basically become a premo to be a good pick and anything less then 80 would be a huge failure. The hawk back line is in flux, who knows what happens if birchall comes back. Soo many question marks the odds of this of paying off great is extremely high, id say the odds of people walking out of this on par is high.
Not the same position but Armitage and JOM could beat him easily for 100k less.
He's also a back and can be swung there throughout the year. Then there's the floating donut that many are considering, not to mention the flexibility over the bye period. Think you are over thinking this one a bit. The stat that clinched it for me was his intercept marking, second only to Alex Rance over the last 10 games.
I really dont think im the one overthinking this.
Im hearing alot of talk of his DPP and floating donuts, yeah that might be a good play in the back half of the year. That is overthinking it for now.
realistically people are selecting a 10 game period and then it seems just locking that in as his average. The guy has played 43 games and people just want to take a snap shot of that. I get that was with a role switch but your banking on a guy keeping the fantasy favorable role and also keeping up a purple patch.
@ele
i think the comparison to Smith is very fair. There are quite a few good cheap options up front in my books and I have never even had to consider Sicily at all, i just brought in Smith yesterday for Heeney. Smith is the direct correlation as he is almost the same price with the same upside (or more) with far far less downside.
If people think he is going to go 90+ then pick him. All i can say is good luck, if he goes 75-80 what in the world will you do. Armitage is just an example, you could even say Congilio v Sicily. Conigs has gone 91 105 and a injury affected 91 and is only 50k more.
Sicily to me is a crazy pick. I might turn out wrong as the upside is certainly there but the odds are certainly in my favour. the DPP and floating donut strategy is great but why wouldn't you wait to see if he proves himself? he has already shown that he can put up a couple of shockers (which hawk defenders historically do).
I just looked at his predicted price if he repeated his last 10 games back to back last year. He goes up from 402k to 476k then back to 456k then he rises up to 500k then goes back down to 463k. So thats if he averages 91 you can pick him up later in the season for 50k or more with alot more certainty then you can have your F/D play.
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
Every year a popular player does flop....
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Ten games as a rebounder is a big enough sample size. I gather you didn't watch the praccie match on the weekend, Clarko was waxing lyrical about the way Sicily had grabbed his opportunity in defence. Then there was the actual performance, plenty of intercepts, plenty of run and carry, a few dummy spits but overall a very impressive performance.
Just for a reminder, he averaged 91 as a rebounder but also scored 5 tons & had 8 scores over 80. Can't see him ever scoring 25 again either.
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Quote from: Adamant on March 06, 2018, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 06, 2018, 01:39:46 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
Every year a popular player does flop....
And where did I say they don't? I just dont think Sic-Dog is the one to do it.
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:57:34 PM
Quote from: Adamant on March 06, 2018, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: elephants on March 06, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Quote from: Holz on March 06, 2018, 01:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 06, 2018, 01:22:07 PM
It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Same data set as Howe from the previous year & he turned out be a fine selection. If i recall last year you slated Ryder in the beginning who was roughly the same price, sometimes you have to factor in positional changes.
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It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I was being sarcastic. If I remember correctly you said that Hall wouldn't average more than 80 and would play in the NEAFL when Gold Coast get all of their midfielders back from injury. He averaged 95 and was the 9th best forward for the season.
:-X
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It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Holz is sounding very much like me with Cripps. Risk vs Reward is not at the level it should be.
Sicily is one that I have been on then off then on then off with all preseason. Will likely depend on what else is about
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It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Holz is sounding very much like me with Cripps. Risk vs Reward is not at the level it should be.
Sicily is one that I have been on then off then on then off with all preseason. Will likely depend on what else is about
A few major differences, Cripps is a breakout contender in a field loaded with blue chip players. The forward line is a total crap-shoot this year and probably warrants a punt or two. With the added bonus of DPP Sicily compensates for his speculative downside. Need I remind people of Yeo last year who went back and starred. He was also a no-name at the start of the year. Sicily is playing in one of the most productive spots for SC scoring, he has some sort of form line and his coach has given him a big wrap in the media.
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It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Pick both, don't compare them. That is silly, they're both great value.
You are overthinking it. I'm into analytics as much as anyone but this is simply a case of;
What role did he play when he averaged 91 at the back end of last season?
Has anything changed? Is he locked into that role? No and Yes.
What were the factors that made him score poorly in that role last year? An injury affected 46 + a 25 with 7 frees against. Is he injured every week? No, anomaly. Does he give away 7 frees often? No, but it does happen. These factors LOWERED his average to 91.
How did he go in that role in JLT (ignoring score)? He looked very capable and should hold it all year.
Is this a sustainable SC scoring role? Yes, see Rance.
Therefore,
Should average 90+.
I too like analytics. But just not with guys...
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It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Pick both, don't compare them. That is silly, they're both great value.
You are overthinking it. I'm into analytics as much as anyone but this is simply a case of;
What role did he play when he averaged 91 at the back end of last season?
Has anything changed? Is he locked into that role? No and Yes.
What were the factors that made him score poorly in that role last year? An injury affected 46 + a 25 with 7 frees against. Is he injured every week? No, anomaly. Does he give away 7 frees often? No, but it does happen. These factors LOWERED his average to 91.
How did he go in that role in JLT (ignoring score)? He looked very capable and should hold it all year.
Is this a sustainable SC scoring role? Yes, see Rance.
Therefore,
Should average 90+.
I agree with everything u said except for one thing.
The coach has talked him up in this role BUT also stated he's likely to play fwd at times. He's versatile and can play either end, so if they need an extra option in attack and/or Roughy or Gunston are injured he's the likely candidate. So he's not locked totally in that role, his versatility is our ironically our only worry.
He's in my team and has been for ages, but there is that one factor that could hurt. If he was guaranteed to never play fwd he would almost be a must have at 400k.
Quote from: Adamant on March 06, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
I was being sarcastic. If I remember correctly you said that Hall wouldn't average more than 80 and would play in the NEAFL when Gold Coast get all of their midfielders back from injury. He averaged 95 and was the 9th best forward for the season.
ok, well the biggest call of all was you should trade him out round 5-6. My call was actually to change him to Dustin Martin for 50k cheaper.
Dusty went on to average 111 and Hall went 87 missing 5 games.
anyway im not fused about sicily, if you want him pick him. If he averages 90 good on you you get a premo at a little bit cheaper then the rest of us so thats tiny leap up on the competition. There is a decent chance of that happening so for your sake i hope your right.
my reasoning is based on one reason alone and thats sample size. I dont disagree with the points people are making, i just disagree that the conclusion that you can lock in 80+ and its extremely likely he will go 90+.
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It's risk/reward and given the uncertainty with the forwards this year he's a good selection. As an absolute worst case scenario, he averages 80 and you keep him as a roving bench option on two lines. As a best case scenario he does a Jeremy Howe and averages 95.
And just one final word on the floating donut, this isn't a distant plan, it could happen very early in the piece, especially given small forwards tend to rip out 100s every 5 or 6 games.
I guess we will see.
locking in a worse case scenario of 80 for a guy who's career best average is 73 is interesting to say the least.
Clearly a very obvious role change from the rest of his career...
This is standard Holz, just about every year you pick a popular player to flop just to be different hahaha
He certainly got Aaron Hall right a couple of years ago.
Thanks Ada,
I work very much on analytics and reading reports as opposed to actually watching games so a few times i get very different opinions based on this.
Sicily does have good signs, but at 400k the analytics dont stack up from a risk reward payoff. Your paying a almost proven price for a guy who isn't proven. The reason i mentioned Devon Smith is Smith has been 80+ for years so you can pay 400k+ for him with more confidence. Could Sicily be a better pick then Smith, yep 100%. Does the analytics back that up, nope.
Sicily can have all the signs in the world indicating that he could be a premo, but he has only been a premo for less then half a year, so your not getting a big enough discount in my book.
If he was 350k then i can see the hype.
Pick both, don't compare them. That is silly, they're both great value.
You are overthinking it. I'm into analytics as much as anyone but this is simply a case of;
What role did he play when he averaged 91 at the back end of last season?
Has anything changed? Is he locked into that role? No and Yes.
What were the factors that made him score poorly in that role last year? An injury affected 46 + a 25 with 7 frees against. Is he injured every week? No, anomaly. Does he give away 7 frees often? No, but it does happen. These factors LOWERED his average to 91.
How did he go in that role in JLT (ignoring score)? He looked very capable and should hold it all year.
Is this a sustainable SC scoring role? Yes, see Rance.
Therefore,
Should average 90+.
I agree with everything u said except for one thing.
The coach has talked him up in this role BUT also stated he's likely to play fwd at times. He's versatile and can play either end, so if they need an extra option in attack and/or Roughy or Gunston are injured he's the likely candidate. So he's not locked totally in that role, his versatility is our ironically our only worry.
He's in my team and has been for ages, but there is that one factor that could hurt. If he was guaranteed to never play fwd he would almost be a must have at 400k.
I don't know that he's actually that versatile. Makes a pretty average and sooky forward. In fact I don't even think he's best 22 if he's a forward
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I was being sarcastic. If I remember correctly you said that Hall wouldn't average more than 80 and would play in the NEAFL when Gold Coast get all of their midfielders back from injury. He averaged 95 and was the 9th best forward for the season.
ok, well the biggest call of all was you should trade him out round 5-6. My call was actually to change him to Dustin Martin for 50k cheaper.
Dusty went on to average 111 and Hall went 87 missing 5 games.
anyway im not fused about sicily, if you want him pick him. If he averages 90 good on you you get a premo at a little bit cheaper then the rest of us so thats tiny leap up on the competition. There is a decent chance of that happening so for your sake i hope your right.
my reasoning is based on one reason alone and thats sample size. I dont disagree with the points people are making, i just disagree that the conclusion that you can lock in 80+ and its extremely likely he will go 90+.
so holz, what do the analytics say for d3/4 Finding it a difficult one to tie down. Currently rotating between hibberd, hanley, lloyd, touhy
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I was being sarcastic. If I remember correctly you said that Hall wouldn't average more than 80 and would play in the NEAFL when Gold Coast get all of their midfielders back from injury. He averaged 95 and was the 9th best forward for the season.
ok, well the biggest call of all was you should trade him out round 5-6. My call was actually to change him to Dustin Martin for 50k cheaper.
Dusty went on to average 111 and Hall went 87 missing 5 games.
anyway im not fused about sicily, if you want him pick him. If he averages 90 good on you you get a premo at a little bit cheaper then the rest of us so thats tiny leap up on the competition. There is a decent chance of that happening so for your sake i hope your right.
my reasoning is based on one reason alone and thats sample size. I dont disagree with the points people are making, i just disagree that the conclusion that you can lock in 80+ and its extremely likely he will go 90+.
so holz, what do the analytics say for d3/4 Finding it a difficult one to tie down. Currently rotating between hibberd, hanley, lloyd, touhy
To be honest too early to say. I need to see the rookies first i build my way up from rookies to premos. At the moment I have a very stacked defense.
i have byrne at d5 at 230k very cautiously i will go down in price if i can. I also might make him d4 if more rookies pop up.
D3 d4 at this stage is lloyd and hibberd.
Llyod averaged 92 for the year taking out the injury and went 84 the year before do he has a base i can trust. At 470k is a price i can live with. Im taking risks elsewhere so need some cheap safety. He will be the guy i drop if i need to.
Hibberd just picks himself, dees are a fantastic sc defensive team. Has had multiple premium years.
A very common theme in my team is i want to see 1-2 premo years before i pick a premo.
Just put him in...i feel dirtier than Riley Reid.
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Just put him in...i feel dirtier than Riley Reid.
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Just put him in...i feel dirtier than Riley Reid.
Quote of the year.
If Clarko says Sicily's the best intercept mark of the past decade, then the chances of Sicily going back to the forward line are zilch. Lock him in, I can see a 95 average coming his way.
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That's actually a lot better than I thought. The 25 is a shocker but he did have 10 clangers LOL and just 13 touches. 14 touches in the 46 score, but he had 20+ in all other scores so seems to have the ability to go 90+ when he gets 20+ touches
Another preseason under his belt and the fact that most defenders aren't consistent too has all of a sudden put this bloke on my radar, to my surprise
The 25 was when he was tagged by Jed Lamb against Carlton. Bolton sent him to legit be in his ear the whole game and he gave away like 8 free kicks that game, including a few 50 metre pens.
It was glorious. Lang destroyed him that game. I've never seen a guy crumble the way he did in that game. Anyone that's thinking of picking him needs to go back and watch that game. He's an undisciplined douchenozzle that couldn't handle the attention when it came his way.
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Went down back from Round 14 onwards
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109
46
104
97
130
107
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116
That's actually a lot better than I thought. The 25 is a shocker but he did have 10 clangers LOL and just 13 touches. 14 touches in the 46 score, but he had 20+ in all other scores so seems to have the ability to go 90+ when he gets 20+ touches
Another preseason under his belt and the fact that most defenders aren't consistent too has all of a sudden put this bloke on my radar, to my surprise
The 25 was when he was tagged by Jed Lamb against Carlton. Bolton sent him to legit be in his ear the whole game and he gave away like 8 free kicks that game, including a few 50 metre pens.
It was glorious. Lang destroyed him that game. I've never seen a guy crumble the way he did in that game. Anyone that's thinking of picking him needs to go back and watch that game. He's an undisciplined douchenozzle that couldn't handle the attention when it came his way.
So you think he can't learn from that? Came back and knocked out a ton the week after.
I think he's a hot head that once he gets some attention from teams will struggle and score poorly. Coaches aren't going to just let a guy sit back there all day and do as he pleases. Especially if they know they can get under his skin and it will throw his whole game off.
And it's not like Carlton put a great player on him either, it was freaking Jed Lamb
Carlton play Hawthorn tonight, Lamb is playing. It will be interesting to see if Sicily has learnt from last year, another stinker and his ownership will plummet.
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Carlton play Hawthorn tonight, Lamb is playing. It will be interesting to see if Sicily has learnt from last year, another stinker and his ownership will plummet.
They won't tag him because it's pre-season. We'll want to focus on our ball movement and forward structures in the game.
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 10, 2018, 12:30:35 PM
I think he's a hot head that once he gets some attention from teams will struggle and score poorly. Coaches aren't going to just let a guy sit back there all day and do as he pleases. Especially if they know they can get under his skin and it will throw his whole game off.
Can guarantee that Clarko ripped into him after that game, obviously it's an issue but not a terminal one. As for tagging these types, it's actually rare, intercept markers generally get the role because they read the play better than most. Think you are reading too much into 1 poor performance instead of focusing on the 8 scores over 80.
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I think he's a hot head that once he gets some attention from teams will struggle and score poorly. Coaches aren't going to just let a guy sit back there all day and do as he pleases. Especially if they know they can get under his skin and it will throw his whole game off.
Can guarantee that Clarko ripped into him after that game, obviously it's an issue but not a terminal one. As for tagging these types, it's actually rare, intercept markers generally get the role because they read the play better than most. Think you are reading too much into 1 poor performance instead of focusing on the 8 scores over 80.
Agreed, Zorko and Sloane had a few absolute shockers last year and ended up averaging ok
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And it's not like Carlton put a great player on him either, it was freaking Jed Lamb
You don't need to be a "great player" to play the role Lamb did that night :P
Started well again. Im just going to throw the key away. Marking machine = $$$$
ok been looking into him alot. Im certainly seeing the upside and he isnt a bad pick at all. changed my mind on this one.
he is a maybe for my squad at the moment, if it drastically improves my team with the extra cash ill consider him.
Quote from: Holz on March 10, 2018, 08:20:50 PM
ok been looking into him alot. Im certainly seeing the upside and he isnt a bad pick at all. changed my mind on this one.
he is a maybe for my squad at the moment, if it drastically improves my team with the extra cash ill consider him.
Good man to admit a change of thought and not be pig headed and stick with your initial opinion Holz. Good to see.
Sicily is in my forward line at the moment and I like the look of it.
None of us know for sure if he can keep it up but things are looking pretty good.
Exactly the kind of thing that gives me pause, stupid 50m penalty, -8 sc thanks for coming. Pretty sure he gave one away last game as well
Could literally be the difference between an awkward 85 average and a solid low 90s ave
Quote from: Gigantor on March 10, 2018, 10:03:48 PM
Exactly the kind of thing that gives me pause, stupid 50m penalty, -8 sc thanks for coming. Pretty sure he gave one away last game as well
Could literally be the difference between an awkward 85 average and a solid low 90s ave
Gotta take the good with the bad
I stand by my assessment.
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I stand by my assessment.
Well given he scored 25 last time this is a definite improvement.
Yeah, but you would hope everyone on the ground scores over 25.
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Yeah, but you would hope everyone on the ground scores over 25.
Not worried, still good for a 90 average IMO.
As a point of reference, his ownership before tonight was 20%, it'll be interesting to see where it sits over the coming days.
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As a point of reference, his ownership before tonight was 20%, it'll be interesting to see where it sits over the coming days.
one bad score in JLT for someone you're annoyed isnt unique enough is beautiful
Didn't see the game tonight but why the low score of 57? 20 disposals at 90% DE but 5 clangers. Giving away dumbass 50 meter penalties still or just butchered a few?
Quote from: quinny88 on March 11, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
Didn't see the game tonight but why the low score of 57? 20 disposals at 90% DE but 5 clangers. Giving away dumbass 50 meter penalties still or just butchered a few?
3 Frees against. 5 Frogs.
Quote from: quinny88 on March 11, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
Didn't see the game tonight but why the low score of 57? 20 disposals at 90% DE but 5 clangers. Giving away dumbass 50 meter penalties still or just butchered a few?
Almost all of that was in the first half. Scaling cause he didn’t do much in the second half I assume. But it’s a classic Clarko thing to do to go hard for a half and don’t do anything stupid in the second half. Almost every key hawk blasted the first half and didn’t do much in the second half. It’s good for %’s anyway
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As a point of reference, his ownership before tonight was 20%, it'll be interesting to see where it sits over the coming days.
one bad score in JLT for someone you're annoyed isnt unique enough is beautiful
Already dropped down to 17.3.
The % is too high ATM IMO, if he performs at top premo level I bring him in as an upgrade, if he goes alright I can bring in a top premo as a difference, if he fails everyone who starts him is either stuck with him or burning a trade.
If the % is too high i just don't see the allure to having him as a POD pick, I just have the Rich taste still in my month from previous years
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As a point of reference, his ownership before tonight was 20%, it'll be interesting to see where it sits over the coming days.
one bad score in JLT for someone you're annoyed isnt unique enough is beautiful
Already dropped down to 17.3.
The % is too high ATM IMO, if he performs at top premo level I bring him in as an upgrade, if he goes alright I can bring in a top premo as a difference, if he fails everyone who starts him is either stuck with him or burning a trade.
If the % is too high i just don't see the allure to having him as a POD pick, I just have the Rich taste still in my month from previous years
I definitely agree with this. Once a breakout contender gets past a certain ownership, I feel more comfortable waiting and seeing how they go to bring in as an upgrade later on. If they fail, there's 15%+ teams who have to work out what to do with him.
I was really keen on Sicily earlier in the preseason (shades of Howe last year), but think he's a little too popular now so will keep an eye on him.
I’m thinking of jumping off as well. The upside was that he’s a 400k fwd/def swing with low ownership but majority of teams will have him especially guys on this site. If I verse a team with him as a POD I’m not really that worried, probably happy tbh knowing a 30 could be on the cards. Should be good for a 85+ average but I’d rather my defenders consistent and go for high ceiling low floor guys in the mids where their floor is 70 not 30.
Quote from: _wato on March 14, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
I’m thinking of jumping off as well. The upside was that he’s a 400k fwd/def swing with low ownership but majority of teams will have him especially guys on this site. If I verse a team with him as a POD I’m not really that worried, probably happy tbh knowing a 30 could be on the cards. Should be good for a 85+ average but I’d rather my defenders consistent and go for high ceiling low floor guys in the mids where their floor is 70 not 30.
Problem for me is, besides Laird and Hibberd I just can't pick another prem def that I am 100% convinced on so I figure at 400k he carries much less risk and at worst will be good enough for D6
I agree with the majority here. He was a good pick as a pod but with 15%+ not taking him is more appealing now as he could turn out a few poor scores early and put you ahead of the pack.
Same issue with Petracca if his ownership was around that 10% mark it would be a good pick but with so many people starting him and his upside not that high it is more appealing to not start with him.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2018, 12:18:43 PM
Quote from: _wato on March 14, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
I’m thinking of jumping off as well. The upside was that he’s a 400k fwd/def swing with low ownership but majority of teams will have him especially guys on this site. If I verse a team with him as a POD I’m not really that worried, probably happy tbh knowing a 30 could be on the cards. Should be good for a 85+ average but I’d rather my defenders consistent and go for high ceiling low floor guys in the mids where their floor is 70 not 30.
Problem for me is, besides Laird and Hibberd I just can't pick another prem def that I am 100% convinced on so I figure at 400k he carries much less risk and at worst will be good enough for D6
100% can easily see why he’s a good pick. But there’s enough reason to not pick him either. For me it’s Hibberd + Sicily v Lloyd + Savage. Lloyd for an extra $70k is a much better option imo. Yes low ceiling but very high floor. 80 is usually minimum
Quote from: Money Shot on March 14, 2018, 12:49:14 PM
I agree with the majority here. He was a good pick as a pod but with 15%+ not taking him is more appealing now as he could turn out a few poor scores early and put you ahead of the pack.
Same issue with Petracca if his ownership was around that 10% mark it would be a good pick but with so many people starting him and his upside not that high it is more appealing to not start with him.
How does it put u ahead of the pack if 85% don't have him either? Have to also factor in owners may have 50 - 100k to strengthen team elsewhere.
More chance of putting u ahead if u pick him and he scores around the same as Simmo,Lloyd,Witherden,Houli,Savage,Robbo and u use the $ to upgrade a 550>600k mid to Dusty/Titch. Or a Robbo/Petracca to Buddy/Heeney/Billings
Quote from: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on March 14, 2018, 12:49:14 PM
I agree with the majority here. He was a good pick as a pod but with 15%+ not taking him is more appealing now as he could turn out a few poor scores early and put you ahead of the pack.
Same issue with Petracca if his ownership was around that 10% mark it would be a good pick but with so many people starting him and his upside not that high it is more appealing to not start with him.
How does it put u ahead of the pack if 85% don't have him either? Have to also factor in owners may have 50 - 100k to strengthen team elsewhere.
More chance of putting u ahead if u pick him and he scores around the same as Simmo,Lloyd,Witherden,Houli,Savage,Robbo and u use the $ to upgrade a 550>600k mid to Dusty/Titch. Or a Robbo/Petracca to Buddy/Heeney/Billings
If you think he is going to score the same as Hurley/Yeo/Laird/Hibberd or even be close to matching there output then obviously you pick him as he is underpriced for what he can produce.
I didn't articulate my point very well. I was trying to say he is less enticing to me as he is no longer a pod and that if he comes out and scores 90 or so I will be slightly behind those who start him but if he comes out and has a couple of shockers I will be in front of 15% of the comp who have picked him. I just don't see him coming out and smashing it (going 100+) so if I miss out it isn't that big a deal.
I think he is more likely to average below 80 in the first 5 rounds than he is to score above 90. If he goes 80-90 I won't be missing out on that much.
I just don't see as much upside in starting him at 15% ownership percentage as I do at 5% as he
His effective ownership is more like 25-26%. Barely anyone that takes it seriously would start without Gawn. So I take Gawn's ownership as the overall ownership, then maybe add on 1-2% as there might actually be people that start without him for whatever reason. 17.0/59.4 = 28.6% so roughly speaking it's a quarter of every team
Quote from: PowerBug on March 14, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
His effective ownership is more like 25-26%. Barely anyone that takes it seriously would start without Gawn. So I take Gawn's ownership as the overall ownership, then maybe add on 1-2% as there might actually be people that start without him for whatever reason. 17.0/59.4 = 28.6% so roughly speaking it's a quarter of every team
That is actually a fair way of looking at it not sure if I 100% agree with it but it is definitely interesting.
Quote from: Money Shot on March 14, 2018, 03:35:04 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on March 14, 2018, 03:06:12 PM
His effective ownership is more like 25-26%. Barely anyone that takes it seriously would start without Gawn. So I take Gawn's ownership as the overall ownership, then maybe add on 1-2% as there might actually be people that start without him for whatever reason. 17.0/59.4 = 28.6% so roughly speaking it's a quarter of every team
That is actually a fair way of looking at it not sure if I 100% agree with it but it is definitely interesting.
Only really works at the start of the season for someone that everyone should have. I can't remember about last season, but 2016 we had Wells I think who was $210k and owned by nearly everyone, and I remember Mitch Clark in 2015 was touching 70%.
My guess is incomplete teams don't have their %'s counted at all for whichever players they do own, but they count as a registered team, so as the days get closer to March 22 expect Gawn's % to rise more.
Also need to factor in the DPP with this bloke, if the rookies are lean I will be bringing in Keefe and looping guys like Doedee, Coffield & Garlett (if named).
Quote from: Bully on March 14, 2018, 03:46:13 PM
Also need to factor in the DPP with this bloke, if the rookies are lean I will be bringing in Keefe and looping guys like Doedee, Coffield & Garlett (if named).
My thoughts too. Looping rookies early can give u a real edge so there's more potential points from starting Sicily as well as money saved.
I have actually cooled a bit on him his first half against the Blues was good but thinking Lamb went to him again in the 2nd half and he only scored 19 ? coaches see things like that ala Sloane last year and copy , still in my team but not a certain starter
Lack of cheap options at D4 sort of ruined Sicily for me. Better to go all out guns and rookies down back instead. Up forward, think there are safer picks around the $400k mark.
Might bring him in later in the season
Quote from: Southstorm on March 14, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Lack of cheap options at D4 sort of ruined Sicily for me. Better to go all out guns and rookies down back instead. Up forward, think there are safer picks around the $400k mark.
Might bring him in later in the season
Isn't Sicily a cheap D4 option? Or do u mean he'd be your D3 but u feel u need a cheap non rookie D4 if picking him?
He's D3 for me.
Quote from: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 14, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Lack of cheap options at D4 sort of ruined Sicily for me. Better to go all out guns and rookies down back instead. Up forward, think there are safer picks around the $400k mark.
Might bring him in later in the season
Isn't Sicily a cheap D4 option? Or do u mean he'd be your D3 but u feel u need a cheap non rookie D4 if picking him?
He's D3 for me.
Depends on how you’ve structured your team. Sicily at D4 is ok but one of the lines will become weaker and I’m guessing it’ll be Fwds. Atm I’m going for a GnR backs like SS, but am shuffling my team to fit Sicily at F4 and linking up with Keefe.
Who’s you D4 btw?
Quote from: tommy10 on March 15, 2018, 01:01:55 AM
Quote from: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 14, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Lack of cheap options at D4 sort of ruined Sicily for me. Better to go all out guns and rookies down back instead. Up forward, think there are safer picks around the $400k mark.
Might bring him in later in the season
Isn't Sicily a cheap D4 option? Or do u mean he'd be your D3 but u feel u need a cheap non rookie D4 if picking him?
He's D3 for me.
Depends on how you’ve structured your team. Sicily at D4 is ok but one of the lines will become weaker and I’m guessing it’ll be Fwds. Atm I’m going for a GnR backs like SS, but am shuffling my team to fit Sicily at F4 and linking up with Keefe.
Who’s you D4 btw?
D4 is a rookie as I think there will be more rookies down back. Maybe Byrne if he can nail a backline spot at Carlton.
Quote from: ubeaut on March 14, 2018, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on March 14, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Lack of cheap options at D4 sort of ruined Sicily for me. Better to go all out guns and rookies down back instead. Up forward, think there are safer picks around the $400k mark.
Might bring him in later in the season
Isn't Sicily a cheap D4 option? Or do u mean he'd be your D3 but u feel u need a cheap non rookie D4 if picking him?
He's D3 for me.
I would have picked him at D3 but would want to have some guaranteed better scoring at D4 to go with it. I'd either be going a 3-0-3 gun/mid price/rookie layout or a 2/2/2. Going a 2/1/3 doesn't appeal; couldn't really find much to do with the cash saved from going from say Laird to Sicily so would prefer to keep the extra premium.
Just typing that out it sounds like I'm being more OCD than logical but anyway :P
Just saw footage of him dropping knees into Jelwood
FFS I hope he doesn't get rubbed out already
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 07:10:47 PM
Just saw footage of him dropping knees into Jelwood
FFS I hope he doesn't get rubbed out already
Glad I didn't trade Robbo to him this week...was very close to doing so
Sicily did a lot of sicily things today.
He's a no for me.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 07:10:47 PM
Just saw footage of him dropping knees into Jelwood
FFS I hope he doesn't get rubbed out already
May be in trouble unfortunately but shouldn't be. Selwood wasn't letting him go and caused a lot of it.
Was going to go Hibberd to him but I’m not sure now, might go heater instead
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 02, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
Sicily did a lot of sicily things today.
He's a no for me.
Despite his score I'm not worried at all in terms of having picked him, the ball wasn't getting near him in the first half, and he had one or two bloopers
Just hope he avoids suspension and I'm still as confident as I was 2 week ago that he'll average 90+
He's got a hot head that's for sure, but it's good that he's got spirit, just needs to translate it into getting the ball and using it effectively!
Game full of emotion b4 it even began ... was more a war than a contest.
Will bounce back v Tiges SC wise.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 02, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
Sicily did a lot of sicily things today.
He's a no for me.
Despite his score I'm not worried at all in terms of having picked him, the ball wasn't getting near him in the first half, and he had one or two bloopers
Just hope he avoids suspension and I'm still as confident as I was 2 week ago that he'll average 90+
I would like to see a few more solid defensive acts tbh. Just backs away waiting for someone to give it to him.
Quote from: Bones Bombers on April 02, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 02, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
Sicily did a lot of sicily things today.
He's a no for me.
Despite his score I'm not worried at all in terms of having picked him, the ball wasn't getting near him in the first half, and he had one or two bloopers
Just hope he avoids suspension and I'm still as confident as I was 2 week ago that he'll average 90+
I would like to see a few more solid defensive acts tbh. Just backs away waiting for someone to give it to him.
You’re going to be looking for a while. He’s an intercept, attacking defender, not a defensive one.
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 02, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Bones Bombers on April 02, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 02, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
Sicily did a lot of sicily things today.
He's a no for me.
Despite his score I'm not worried at all in terms of having picked him, the ball wasn't getting near him in the first half, and he had one or two bloopers
Just hope he avoids suspension and I'm still as confident as I was 2 week ago that he'll average 90+
I would like to see a few more solid defensive acts tbh. Just backs away waiting for someone to give it to him.
You’re going to be looking for a while. He’s an intercept, attacking defender, not a defensive one.
Ala Hibberd, Yeo, Simpson.
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 02, 2018, 07:31:18 PM
Quote from: Bones Bombers on April 02, 2018, 07:27:42 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 02, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: HoleMeal on April 02, 2018, 07:12:59 PM
Sicily did a lot of sicily things today.
He's a no for me.
Despite his score I'm not worried at all in terms of having picked him, the ball wasn't getting near him in the first half, and he had one or two bloopers
Just hope he avoids suspension and I'm still as confident as I was 2 week ago that he'll average 90+
I would like to see a few more solid defensive acts tbh. Just backs away waiting for someone to give it to him.
You’re going to be looking for a while. He’s an intercept, attacking defender, not a defensive one.
I think if you started with him you have to be optimistic.
If you don't have him, like me, you can sit back and wait a little longer. Certainly no rush.
He will be rubbed out a knee to Selwoods face late in the game looks very bad
Quote from: shaker on April 02, 2018, 08:33:54 PM
He will be rubbed out a knee to Selwoods face late in the game looks very bad
Duckwood's fault for dragging him back down I think. I know its Sicily, but I'd say it was careless, not intentional and thus probably a fine.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 02, 2018, 08:46:13 PM
Quote from: shaker on April 02, 2018, 08:33:54 PM
He will be rubbed out a knee to Selwoods face late in the game looks very bad
Duckwood's fault for dragging him back down I think. I know its Sicily, but I'd say it was careless, not intentional and thus probably a fine.
Ok looked very ordinary to me dragged down or not just dropped the knee in the face and I have Sicily .... lets see
I would've thought he'd be in trouble as well. Looked bad at a glance.
You'll have these days as a Sic-Dog owner. I don't have him, but surely he misses 1 week. Knees into a player on his back is a shocking look
I'm already playing 2 FWD rooks, don't really wanna play 3. Maybe I'm just being optimistic? ;D
I haven't seen the Sicily incident but based on Nank you would say it's a fine using precedent. If it was worse than he is probably looking at a week.
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/video/watch/39702083/sicilys-nasty-knee-on-selwood/
I reckon that's some time on the sideline pretty easily. Drops on him once, picks himself up, hovers the knee over him again and drops it right on his face. The first one was unintentional, second one looks far more deliberate.
Quote from: Southstorm on April 02, 2018, 10:17:07 PM
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/video/watch/39702083/sicilys-nasty-knee-on-selwood/
I reckon that's some time on the sideline pretty easily. Drops on him once, picks himself up, hovers the knee over him again and drops it right on his face. The first one was unintentional, second one looks far more deliberate.
He's gone.
Not what I wanted.
Quote from: enzedder on April 02, 2018, 11:16:32 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 02, 2018, 10:17:07 PM
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/video/watch/39702083/sicilys-nasty-knee-on-selwood/
I reckon that's some time on the sideline pretty easily. Drops on him once, picks himself up, hovers the knee over him again and drops it right on his face. The first one was unintentional, second one looks far more deliberate.
He's gone.
Not what I wanted.
Still just looks like Duckwood is pulling his leg down and he just staggers a bit whilst trying to get up to me.
Will be interesting to see how the MRP views it.
Goneski me thinks
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Basically this.
For the first knee drop, sure. The second knee drop is because he's an immature flog haha
Still trust him to score OK against more rubbish teams. Have too many other problems atm. He stays.
Upgraded Bell to Sicily this week and despite my unfavourable underlying opinion of him being a genuine shower bloke I'm ashamed to say i was a little bit excited with his potential for the season following the previous week and last years second half stats.
After watching the game today he looked out of place a lot of the time for an interceptor and when he got the ball rarely used it well and also seemed like his head wasnt focused on the ball. To finish up his game he drops in this dog of an act. Expecting at least a week for that. 1 sub-par score from at least my first 2 rds with him in my team leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
New personal rule for 2019: Go with your gut, don't dont select scum.
Quote from: elephants on April 03, 2018, 12:14:24 AM
For the first knee drop, sure. The second knee drop is because he's an immature flog haha
And this is the key point here
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Quote from: Southstorm on April 03, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Sicily also smashed Jelwood when he was on the ground in the first quarter and gave away 50 then tried to bury Dangers head into the turf five minutes later but half missed the tackle.
He was angry and you know it won't be the last time.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 02, 2018, 11:29:41 PM
Quote from: enzedder on April 02, 2018, 11:16:32 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 02, 2018, 10:17:07 PM
https://au.sports.yahoo.com/afl/video/watch/39702083/sicilys-nasty-knee-on-selwood/
I reckon that's some time on the sideline pretty easily. Drops on him once, picks himself up, hovers the knee over him again and drops it right on his face. The first one was unintentional, second one looks far more deliberate.
He's gone.
Not what I wanted.
Still just looks like Duckwood is pulling his leg down and he just staggers a bit whilst trying to get up to me.
Will be interesting to see how the MRP views it.
I agree SL.. might be a bit of hawk bias on my part though haha
Greene 2.0
Quote from: Marty101 on April 03, 2018, 12:58:26 AM
Upgraded Bell to Sicily this week and despite my unfavourable underlying opinion of him being a genuine shower bloke I'm ashamed to say i was a little bit excited with his potential for the season following the previous week and last years second half stats.
After watching the game today he looked out of place a lot of the time for an interceptor and when he got the ball rarely used it well and also seemed like his head wasnt focused on the ball. To finish up his game he drops in this dog of an act. Expecting at least a week for that. 1 sub-par score from at least my first 2 rds with him in my team leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
New personal rule for 2019: Go with your gut, don't dont select scum.
My thoughts exactly.
Just saw the incident, thats worth 2 weeks in my book, disgusting and weak act. absolute dog, and ive got him in my team, i hate him!
Quote from: Southstorm on April 03, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 03, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 03, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
If it is deemed careless, thats a disgrace, he was climbing all over him with his knees. Hes a pig.
Quote from: Colty on April 03, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 03, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 03, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
If it is deemed careless, thats a disgrace, he was climbing all over him with his knees. Hes a pig.
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 03, 2018, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: Colty on April 03, 2018, 11:47:32 AM
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 03, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 03, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
If it is deemed careless, thats a disgrace, he was climbing all over him with his knees. Hes a pig.
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
I'm sorry but there's just no way you can justify dropping your knees into someone's face while they lay on the ground. Yes he pulled him down once, but the second knee-drop was completely intentional
I don't even want him to miss a week given I have him in draft, but lets be reasonable haha
Quote from: elephants on April 03, 2018, 11:53:01 AM
I don't even want him to miss a week given I have him in draft, but lets be reasonable haha
Don't lie please, you're ranked 14th overall without Sicily and 8 of the 13 guys above you have him, you want him to miss :P
We will find out soon enough, seems like the non-owners say he'll miss and the owners say he'll be fine, what a surprise ;)
Hope he gets off with a fine just to mess with y'all who hate his guts hahaha.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 03, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 03, 2018, 11:53:01 AM
I don't even want him to miss a week given I have him in draft, but lets be reasonable haha
Don't lie please, you're ranked 14th overall without Sicily and 8 of the 13 guys above you have him, you want him to miss :P
Hahaha he's awful and the defensive rookies are great, I want him to play! :P
Quote from: Rusty00 on April 03, 2018, 11:43:06 AM
Quote from: Southstorm on April 03, 2018, 02:45:43 AM
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
I doubt they're going to consider that low impact given he dropped his knee and full weight of his body from height straight onto a player beneath him, even if Selwood did keep playing.
Intentional, Medium, Head = 2 weeks is my guess.
Verdict is in
James Parsons can accept $2000 sanction, striking D Howe.
James Sicily can accept 1 game, kneeing J Selwood.
Kaiden Brand can accept $1500 sanction, misconduct against T Hawkins.
Daniel Howe can accept $1500 sanction, misconduct against J Selwood.
1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Quote from: _wato on April 03, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Yes he does. His flowering hot head right in. Hopefully it's the only time this year. There's a long way to go so hopefully is the operative word.
Quote from: enzedder on April 03, 2018, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: _wato on April 03, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Yes he does. His flowering hot head right in. Hopefully it's the only time this year. There's a long way to go so hopefully is the operative word.
let's be honest, we all knew what we were getting into when we picked him ... ;)
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Quote from: _wato on April 03, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Yes he does. His flowering hot head right in. Hopefully it's the only time this year. There's a long way to go so hopefully is the operative word.
Inb4 he gets suspended in rd 13 or 14
Quote from: Gigantor on April 03, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
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Quote from: _wato on April 03, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Yes he does. His flowering hot head right in. Hopefully it's the only time this year. There's a long way to go so hopefully is the operative word.
Inb4 he gets suspended in rd 13 or 14
Don't even joke about it >:(
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Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
I doubt they're going to consider that low impact given he dropped his knee and full weight of his body from height straight onto a player beneath him, even if Selwood did keep playing.
Intentional, Medium, Head = 2 weeks is my guess.
Like I said, whether you like it or not, the force of impact is determined by the "victim's" condition. No injury to Selwood = low impact.
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Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
Yeah but just because you're in that situation doesn't mean you need to go dropping knees on people. Doesn't matter who does it IMO either, gratuitous stuff like that should get you a week at minimum. Given Caddy got offered a week for something far more innocuous this surely deserves two at least.
Caddy incident is no comparison at all. Mackay was concussed, Selwood got up and kept playing, whether you like it or not, this is the factor they use to grade the "force" of the incident. It will essentially come down to whether they deem it intentional or careless. Intentional = 1 week, Careless = $$ fine.
If it is deemed careless, thats a disgrace, he was climbing all over him with his knees. Hes a pig.
Quote from: fanTCfool on April 02, 2018, 11:42:18 PM
Would never have been in the situation had Selwood stopped pulling on his legs, he'll get a week because of reputation.
I'm sorry but there's just no way you can justify dropping your knees into someone's face while they lay on the ground. Yes he pulled him down once, but the second knee-drop was completely intentional
I don't even want him to miss a week given I have him in draft, but lets be reasonable haha
Nonsense, hes trying to get up and impact the next contest and Selwood intetional grabs his leg to trip him off the ball. If the umpires were actually doing their job in this game Sicily wouldnt have needed to go on with.
Im a Selwood fan but he got exactly what he deserved, dropping the knees in is a bad look but it wasnt done with malice. What is he supposed to do? 'Thats alright Joel trip me when ever you want'. Pretty soft from Selwood to go on with it in the media, sour sportsmanship after the loss.
Compare this to some of Mumfords 'Accidents' over the last 5 that are intended to injure. I know what i'd prefer to be on the end of.
Can't believe people are trying to justify it haha. It was a dog act plain and simple. And yes I have him in my team
Rusty is spot on if Selwood was split open or injured in some way it would have been a harsher sentence but he needs to get on top of his emotions quick smart , I'm sure the coach will be having a word in his ear ;)
Quote from: shaker on April 03, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Rusty is spot on if Selwood was split open or injured in some way it would have been a harsher sentence but he needs to get on top of his emotions quick smart , I'm sure the coach will be having a word in his ear ;)
Unfortunately there's nothing between that ear and the other one lol
Hope he challenges and argues Selwood was holding his legs.
Worth a shot.
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Quote from: shaker on April 03, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Rusty is spot on if Selwood was split open or injured in some way it would have been a harsher sentence but he needs to get on top of his emotions quick smart , I'm sure the coach will be having a word in his ear ;)
Unfortunately there's nothing between that ear and the other one lol
Lol, on AM radio over here in Perth they asked Darren Glass (coaching at Hawks now) about Sicily, said he was a hard working and very easily coachable player, just had a few things to work on. ;D
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Rusty is spot on if Selwood was split open or injured in some way it would have been a harsher sentence but he needs to get on top of his emotions quick smart , I'm sure the coach will be having a word in his ear ;)
Unfortunately there's nothing between that ear and the other one lol
Could be that or he could be just an arsehole :-X
So now I have to field both Ryan and Fritsch this week
Thanks Sicily! >:(
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 03, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
So now I have to field both Ryan and Fritsch this week
Thanks Sicily! >:(
angery
Quote from: MontyJnr on April 03, 2018, 05:08:21 PM
Hope he challenges and argues Selwood was holding his legs.
Worth a shot.
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Hope he challenges and argues Selwood was holding his legs.
Worth a shot.
Hawthorn can use some of their pokie money to pay the fine if they fail
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 03, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
So now I have to field both Ryan and Fritsch this week
Thanks Sicily! >:(
I’ll raise you. I have to field Ryan, Fritsch and Garlett, with no bench cover, now that Langdon is out for a month as well. >:(
I just feel he will never learn, He is gone for me!!!! >:( >:(
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 03, 2018, 05:42:06 PM
So now I have to field both Ryan and Fritsch this week
Thanks Sicily! >:(
I’ll raise you. I have to field Ryan, Fritsch and Garlett, with no bench cover, now that Langdon is out for a month as well. >:(
have to field venaspud, ryan and fritsch
I'm trading Naughton to Ryan and switching him back. Will use him to loophole Murray and Murphy this week. Z Langdon will loophole Stephenson and Ryan, fielding Fritsch
Quote from: quinny88 on April 03, 2018, 04:51:35 PM
Can't believe people are trying to justify it haha. It was a dog act plain and simple. And yes I have him in my team
Dog act.... come on mate thats a bit rough. It was probably too much but it was also in the heat of the moment against one of the most annoying and frustrating players in the entire sport.
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Quote from: quinny88 on April 03, 2018, 04:51:35 PM
Can't believe people are trying to justify it haha. It was a dog act plain and simple. And yes I have him in my team
Dog act.... come on mate thats a bit rough. It was probably too much but it was also in the heat of the moment against one of the most annoying and frustrating players in the entire sport.
Take off the Hawks coloured glasses, dropping the knee into a face/head/back is a c u n t act, no doubt about it.
He is a childish flog and although i will keep him (because i knew he would do something like this and may do it again) i am not happy about it happening so early in the bloody season, makes me fear for more stupidity in the near future!
Quote from: Fid on April 03, 2018, 07:19:59 PM
I just feel he will never learn, He is gone for me!!!! >:( >:(
If it only happens this once you will have been wrong.
If it happens again or even a third time you will have made the right move.
Sicily and Caddy to deal with, Langdon out, stuffed if I know what to do!
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Quote from: quinny88 on April 03, 2018, 04:51:35 PM
Can't believe people are trying to justify it haha. It was a dog act plain and simple. And yes I have him in my team
Dog act.... come on mate thats a bit rough. It was probably too much but it was also in the heat of the moment against one of the most annoying and frustrating players in the entire sport.
Take off the Hawks coloured glasses, dropping the knee into a face/head/back is a c u n t act, no doubt about it.
He is a childish flog and although i will keep him (because i knew he would do something like this and may do it again) i am not happy about it happening so early in the bloody season, makes me fear for more stupidity in the near future!
Tend to agree with you mate. Not a good look for the AFL. Sis plays with emotion, but needs to kerb it. Jellwood not faultless in this, but maybe a bit cleverer
Quote from: Goosey on April 03, 2018, 10:14:33 PM
Sicily and Caddy to deal with, Langdon out, stuffed if I know what to do!
in the same boat but still got Heeney, D Smith, Fisher, Garlett, Fritsch, Venables playing
Caddy on midfield bench
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Quote from: Goosey on April 03, 2018, 10:14:33 PM
Sicily and Caddy to deal with, Langdon out, stuffed if I know what to do!
in the same boat but still got Heeney, D Smith, Fisher, Garlett, Fritsch, Venables playing
Caddy on midfield bench
Yeah, I moved Caddy to mid bench and Garlett forward, leaves me with Billings, D.Smith, Dunkley, Garlett, Fritsch and Ryan, not great!
Quote from: DunnyBrush on April 03, 2018, 10:10:33 PM
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Quote from: quinny88 on April 03, 2018, 04:51:35 PM
Can't believe people are trying to justify it haha. It was a dog act plain and simple. And yes I have him in my team
Dog act.... come on mate thats a bit rough. It was probably too much but it was also in the heat of the moment against one of the most annoying and frustrating players in the entire sport.
Take off the Hawks coloured glasses, dropping the knee into a face/head/back is a c u n t act, no doubt about it.
He is a childish flog and although i will keep him (because i knew he would do something like this and may do it again) i am not happy about it happening so early in the bloody season, makes me fear for more stupidity in the near future!
Yes I have hawk glasses and I in no way condone it but these things happen and it really was not as bad as people are making out
Really having second thoughts about picking this bloke
I think he clearly has the ability to go 90+, but my concern is the constant threat of missing more games and teams potentially starting to target him as well
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 03, 2018, 11:38:56 PM
Really having second thoughts about picking this bloke
I think he clearly has the ability to go 90+, but my concern is the constant threat of missing more games and teams potentially starting to target him as well
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 10, 2018, 03:50:59 AM
It was glorious. Lang destroyed him that game. I've never seen a guy crumble the way he did in that game. Anyone that's thinking of picking him needs to go back and watch that game. He's an undisciplined douchenozzle that couldn't handle the attention when it came his way.
At least I got this one right
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 03, 2018, 11:38:56 PM
Really having second thoughts about picking this bloke
I think he clearly has the ability to go 90+, but my concern is the constant threat of missing more games and teams potentially starting to target him as well
Exactly the reason I didn’t pick him.
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Quote from: _wato on April 03, 2018, 03:06:07 PM
1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Yes he does. His flowering hot head right in. Hopefully it's the only time this year. There's a long way to go so hopefully is the operative word.
let's be honest, we all knew what we were getting into when we picked him ... ;)
+1
The man's a spud, but unfortunately he's a good spud to have, with the intercept marking and the SC friendly role. Plus his price is kinda hard to ignore. Imo the pros of having him outweigh the cons, and I can sympathise with him in that Jelwood is the most annoying and frustrating player in the comp. I myself have wanted to kick the flower out of Jelwood several times over the years. Hopefully Sic keeps a lid on it in future and we can get a few solid tons before his next suspension.
Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
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Quote from: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
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Quote from: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
I can 100% guarantee you hes not scoring 120 tonight
Jeez he's played one game lets give him a little more time ;D
P:S Two games ;D
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Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
I can 100% guarantee you hes not scoring 120 tonight
Be pretty hard for him to go that big tonight..... :P
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Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
I can 100% guarantee you hes not scoring 120 tonight
Be pretty hard for him to go that big tonight..... :P
I don't even give him a chance of going past 50 tonight
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Quote from: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
I can 100% guarantee you hes not scoring 120 tonight
Be pretty hard for him to go that big tonight..... :P
I don't even give him a chance of going past 50 tonight
On the bright side, I'm 99% sure he won't be getting suspended tonight.
What did people think of his game he seemed to keep fairly composed and was very clean with his possessions maybe that little angry coach had a harsh word in his ear ?
Quote from: shaker on April 16, 2018, 12:50:08 PM
What did people think of his game he seemed to keep fairly composed and was very clean with his possessions maybe that little angry coach had a harsh word in his ear ?
Will be a top 6 defender this year.
Got him sitting cozy at F5 currently.
Will be swinging him back to possibly bring in a Franklin/Mundy/Walters/Gray type later on.
Am confident enough that he can go 90+, which will be good enough for D6/F6 at the worst.
Any chance he goes forward with Poppy and Cyril out?
Quote from: Gigantor on April 16, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
Any chance he goes forward with Poppy and Cyril out?
Surely not. Poppy and Cyril are speedy tackling pressure fwds. Don't see how Sicily takes that role.
Quote from: Gigantor on April 16, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
Any chance he goes forward with Poppy and Cyril out?
Nope. They aren't struggling for bigs. Roughy/Gunston still fit, have Schoey waiting in the wings.
Burton and Langford both missed on the weekend and can play forward if need be. Could swing Duryea forward, give Mirra more of a role. 100% they'll keep Sicily down back.
Quote from: Hippo on April 13, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
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Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
I can 100% guarantee you hes not scoring 120 tonight
mighty close to 120 for your 100%! ;)
Quote from: Daicos. on April 16, 2018, 11:08:56 PM
Quote from: Hippo on April 13, 2018, 03:52:33 PM
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Quote from: SilverLion on April 13, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
Would like a 90+ from Sic this week. Know he's going to be a rollercoaster, but after playing shower rd. 2 and getting suspended feel he needs to start performing again to justify selecting him.
I'm regretting starting him
I think he can go 90+, but just the constant worry, up and down scoring etc is going to be a year long worry
They'll probably send Bugg to him this week and he'll lose his shower and score crap
He'll make up for the week off with a 120 tonight!
I can 100% guarantee you hes not scoring 120 tonight
mighty close to 120 for your 100%! ;)
haha he scored 0 that night, you made the comment on Friday
Geez he's playing a SC friendly role as hoped. If he can just keep his cool and channel that mongrel into playing good footy.
They sent Tom Bugg to harass him but he clearly came out on top.
Keep it up James.
Couldnt be happier i picked this lad, he looks a geniune star for his position. It was wet conditions, had a fwd tag on him (Who even got the free kick paid against them rather than Sic in the scuffles) and yet still dominated. He seems to be very SC friendly as well, none of the junk time kick around the back, all his disposals are earnt
Sent directly to the tribunal for an incident that no one has any idea about. Looks to be another stint on the sidelines
Quote from: Rowdy26 on April 23, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Sent directly to the tribunal for an incident that no one has any idea about. Looks to be another stint on the sidelines
Yeah, I can't find anything anywhere. What happened?
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Quote from: Rowdy26 on April 23, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Sent directly to the tribunal for an incident that no one has any idea about. Looks to be another stint on the sidelines
Yeah, I can't find anything anywhere. What happened?
Apparently he stepped on Atley's leg at some stage during the game. Must have been more like a stomp to be sent straight to the tribunal. Can't find any vision of it
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Sent directly to the tribunal for an incident that no one has any idea about. Looks to be another stint on the sidelines
Yeah, I can't find anything anywhere. What happened?
Courtesy of afl.com.au:
“Tuesday night shapes as a busy one for the Tribunal after Christian also referred Hawks defender James Sicily there on a charge of serious misconduct against North Melbourne's Shaun Atley.
The charge against Sicily arose from an incident during the second quarter of Sunday's game at Etihad Stadium when he stood on Atley's leg while the Roo was lying on the ground.â€
This guy has issues!!
Guy is a great SC player but I'm afraid he is still a peanut
His team mates and coaching staff must be furious with him! He shows so much potential and then another brain fade occurs.
The new Toby Greene
Looks like change of plans with who to bring in in forward line.
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Quote from: Rowdy26 on April 23, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Sent directly to the tribunal for an incident that no one has any idea about. Looks to be another stint on the sidelines
Yeah, I can't find anything anywhere. What happened?
Courtesy of afl.com.au:
“Tuesday night shapes as a busy one for the Tribunal after Christian also referred Hawks defender James Sicily there on a charge of serious misconduct against North Melbourne's Shaun Atley.
The charge against Sicily arose from an incident during the second quarter of Sunday's game at Etihad Stadium when he stood on Atley's leg while the Roo was lying on the ground.â€
This guy has issues!!
Oh you gotta be kidding me!
Quote from: Rowdy26 on April 23, 2018, 05:20:53 PM
Sent directly to the tribunal for an incident that no one has any idea about. Looks to be another stint on the sidelines
Oh FFS I jinxed him didn't I?
He's now gone from an awesome pick with one forgivable hiccup to a player who's missing 1/3 of games so far.
No good having a player who can average 95+ if he's sitting on the pine.
Surely this gets chucked out, no footage, noone even saw it, Atley played out the game. Definitely doesn't sound suspension worthy, prob just sent straight to tribunal cos of his history?!?
Quote from: jvalles69 on April 23, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
Surely this gets chucked out, no footage, noone even saw it, Atley played out the game. Definitely doesn't sound suspension worthy, prob just sent straight to tribunal cos of his history?!?
Channel 7 apparently have 'exclusive vision' of the incident that they'll air on the news tonight.
It's also a serious misconduct charge, which is worse than rough conduct.
It's beyond me how people are trying to justify the fact he stomped on a bloke's calf, in what scenario is that ever allowed?
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Quote from: jvalles69 on April 23, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
Surely this gets chucked out, no footage, noone even saw it, Atley played out the game. Definitely doesn't sound suspension worthy, prob just sent straight to tribunal cos of his history?!?
Channel 7 apparently have 'exclusive vision' of the incident that they'll air on the news tonight.
It's also a serious misconduct charge, which is worse than rough conduct.
It's beyond me how people are trying to justify the fact he stomped on a bloke's calf, in what scenario is that ever allowed?
Of course, it's just a weird thing to do and I'd have to see footage! If he's literally walked up to Atley on the ground and stomped his leg like Rick James stomped Eddie Murphy's couch then for sure he's done and that's a dog act!
Quote from: tommy10 on April 23, 2018, 05:27:12 PM
This guy has issues!!
Quote from: shaker on April 23, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
I'm afraid he is still a peanut
Quote from: shaker on April 23, 2018, 05:31:33 PM
The new Toby Greene
Quote from: dmac07 on April 23, 2018, 05:43:39 PM
Oh you gotta be kidding me!
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Oh FFS
He's killing me.
Wasted that many trades on this dog haha
If he's rubbed out I'm keeping, hopefully only 2 weeks.
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Soft but stupid. Totally unneccessary. No force or maliciousness in it. Provocative and not a good look. Maybe he'll get a week. The AFL will likely want to send a message.
Flog
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
If he's rubbed out I'm keeping, hopefully only 2 weeks.
Only 2 weeks??
That makes 3 weeks out of 7, meaning he'll have missed nearly half the games.
How long till he does it again?? Geez what an absolute flog.
Hope he gets 4 weeks so I can get rid of him. No doubt he can score well, but that's irrelevant if he's always suspended.
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
This guys a massive flog and if i didnt have him in my AF/Sc id be fine with him getting a week. But to be completely fair, this is not as dangerous as an elbow to the head or pushing someone into the fence. Should have just been a fine on that precedence.
I saw the footage of the sicily stomp, and i think it looked intentional as he looked down to the ground before doing it. But i don't think it was serious misconduct. should be a fine i reckon
Hardly a stomp, just another brain snap from this turkey I really don't what he'll get probably a week maybe 2 , if I were him I'd be more worried about Clarko belting some sense into his thick skull
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
You can still see the underside of his shoe as he walks over, intentional maybe but low impact. No way 2-3 weeks.
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
Dont let sicily being a flog cloud your judgement, far more dangerous to forcefully push someone into the fence. While its a terrible look its not gonna cause a heap of harm, which seems to be all people care about, not the actual intention of the act for some strange reason.
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
You can still see the underside of his shoe as he walks over, intentional maybe but low impact. No way 2-3 weeks.
Is that grading system even relevant when an incident has been sent straight to the tribunal classed as "serious misconduct"
You don't get a fine when you get sent to the tribunal Christian was just on the news and did not seems at all amused with it , said it was a dangerous action that could cause injury he's gone 2 minimum my guess
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
You can still see the underside of his shoe as he walks over, intentional maybe but low impact. No way 2-3 weeks.
I reckon he’ll get 2, already suspended in round 2 so that doesn’t look good. With Fritsch out, was thinking of bringing him in but prob just upgrade Bundy instead
Quote from: iZander on April 23, 2018, 07:36:07 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:10:11 PM
Quote from: elephants on April 23, 2018, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
Quote from: Holz on April 23, 2018, 06:46:53 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:42:09 PM
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
Dont let sicily being a flog cloud your judgement, far more dangerous to forcefully push someone into the fence. While its a terrible look its not gonna cause a heap of harm, which seems to be all people care about, not the actual intention of the act for some strange reason.
Strongly disagree there man. Check out the Dickson/McKenna incident. Didn't even draw blood yet McKenna will spend 3 weeks on the sidelines for the bite.
I've got Sic and backed him up on the last incident which I still think was ok, but this.. if they gave out weeks for stupidity would be right up there with ball tampering. There's cameras everywhere what the hell is he thinking. In isolation there's not much in it but this is where the MRP has been getting it wrong for years now. Injury is irrelevant, needs to be graded on intent of the action, he has only one intent here and that is to injure, no place for this on a football field, just lucky the act itself is pretty benign.
I'm flowering done with this season
Gotta be the most frustrating player I've ever had in my team. He keeps being stupid, why can't Clarko hurry up and belt him. So unnecessary. If it's 2 weeks or more he's out. Buggered if I know who for, but he's out.
Your flowering kidding me.
Toby Greene has met his match.
He'll get week(s) because of a bad record.
Impact would be less than low given no injury reports whatsoever from North. Won't be adjudicated that way though as it was unsportsmanlike, so it'll be interesting to see what they say.
My guess is 1-2. Though because it's Sicily, 3-4 is more likely.
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
If he's rubbed out I'm keeping, hopefully only 2 weeks.
2 weeks, have you seen the video Bully? Sort of light pressure as he puts his weight on his other leg. Total BS should have been a find and get on with it.
Not trading Sicily. Can imagine Clarko having a friendly "wtf were you thinking Son" chat with him. or more like, turn the brain on you stupid red headed moron.
Quote from: crowls on April 23, 2018, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
If he's rubbed out I'm keeping, hopefully only 2 weeks.
2 weeks, have you seen the video Bully? Sort of light pressure as he puts his weight on his other leg. Total BS should have been a find and get on with it.
Not trading Sicily. Can imagine Clarko having a friendly "wtf were you thinking Son" chat with him. or more like, turn the brain on you stupid red headed moron.
Have seen it & reckon it's soft in the extreme, should be a fine. If he firmly planted his foot into the calf then fair enough, from that video you'd be struggling to even confirm contact.
If it's serious misconduct and straight to the tribunal then I would assume he's gonna cop more than a fine.
Fairly low force but it's not a good look, and not something the MRO will be happy to let go.
Quote from: SilverLion on April 23, 2018, 08:19:46 PM
Impact would be less than low given no injury reports whatsoever from North.
Pretty sure there was a medical report from North - probably what drew attention to it.
I like him
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 08:28:57 PM
Quote from: crowls on April 23, 2018, 08:22:48 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 23, 2018, 06:31:58 PM
If he's rubbed out I'm keeping, hopefully only 2 weeks.
2 weeks, have you seen the video Bully? Sort of light pressure as he puts his weight on his other leg. Total BS should have been a find and get on with it.
Not trading Sicily. Can imagine Clarko having a friendly "wtf were you thinking Son" chat with him. or more like, turn the brain on you stupid red headed moron.
Have seen it & reckon it's soft in the extreme, should be a fine. If he firmly planted his foot into the calf then fair enough, from that video you'd be struggling to even confirm contact.
Guaranteed suspension, like the optimism though. Not a good look for the game, and can't have red headed flogs walking around standing on their opponents. Christian ain't amused, will probably be 2 weeks. 3 if Christian's in a really narky mood and feels like a bit of vengeance.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 08:02:57 PM
I'm flowering done with this season
Chin up mate, iv'e had these seasons since 2015, and still take the pain
Quote from: Toga on April 23, 2018, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on April 23, 2018, 08:19:46 PM
Impact would be less than low given no injury reports whatsoever from North.
Pretty sure there was a medical report from North - probably what drew attention to it.
What did it say? graze to left calf?
Quote from: Gigantor on April 03, 2018, 03:52:11 PM
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1 week, needs to pull his flowering head in
Yes he does. His flowering hot head right in. Hopefully it's the only time this year. There's a long way to go so hopefully is the operative word.
Inb4 he gets suspended in rd 13 or 14
I still think this happening is odds on ;D
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 08:02:57 PM
I'm flowering done with this season
Chin up RD, most on here have a decent knowledge re players, the rest is luck with injuries/suspensions...
it will come around for you. ;)
Haha, thanks guys
I've been around long enough so it's all just said in jest really, but this year has been insane for me and it's only 5 rounds in
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Started Billings and Goldy who have put up stinkers, and have had to field guys like Naughton, Brayshaw, Fritsch, Venables etc at times too when they scored horribly. Dom Barry rotting away at M11 too
All of that in not even 5 full rounds
I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
LOL it's going to be a loooonnnnggggg season for me ;D
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
Haha, thanks guys
I've been around long enough so it's all just said in jest really, but this year has been insane for me and it's only 5 rounds in
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Started Billings and Goldy who have put up stinkers, and have had to field guys like Naughton, Brayshaw, Fritsch, Venables etc at times too when they scored horribly. Dom Barry rotting away at M11 too
All of that in not even 5 full rounds
I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
LOL it's going to be a loooonnnnggggg season for me ;D
I'm just flowering spewing I haven't played you yet!! :( ;) :)
Quote from: Dudge on April 23, 2018, 08:40:25 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 08:02:57 PM
I'm flowering done with this season
Chin up mate, iv'e had these seasons since 2015, and still take the pain
Yea no need to give up enjoy the challenger of getting up the rankings. # years ago I was ranked 82k after 4 rounds but finished around 5k. Set myself the challenge to get as high as I can to maintain interest and it worked. Realise injuries and crap form do not help but that is the challenge to rectify as soon as possible.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.
Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)
Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible. Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 23, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.
Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)
Picking mid-pricers isn't the problem, he just chose the wrong ones - Bell over Dunkley and Christensen, Lobb over Hogan, Armitage over JOM.
Sicily was still a good pick, substitute a 60 in his average for missing round 3 and he's averaging 95.8. Substitute another 60 for his impending suspension and he's still averaging 90. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Looking at a donut if he misses, even after trading Venables. Fritsch, Garlett and Sicily for the pine.
Quote from: Adamant on April 23, 2018, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 23, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.
Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)
Picking mid-pricers isn't the problem, he just chose the wrong ones - Bell over Dunkley and Christensen, Lobb over Hogan, Armitage over JOM.
Sicily was still a good pick, substitute a 60 in his average for missing round 3 and he's averaging 95.8. Substitute another 60 for his impending suspension and he's still averaging 90. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Which is the risk you take when picking midpricers, so you can't be annoyed when they eventually fail...
Tell the latter to those complaining, I'm not the one that thinks Sicily was a bad pick and was very close to trading him in last week and was considering him this week. And I will probably still look to trade him in after this suspension.
Quote from: PowerBug on April 23, 2018, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: Adamant on April 23, 2018, 10:25:15 PM
Quote from: PowerBug on April 23, 2018, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.
Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)
Picking mid-pricers isn't the problem, he just chose the wrong ones - Bell over Dunkley and Christensen, Lobb over Hogan, Armitage over JOM.
Sicily was still a good pick, substitute a 60 in his average for missing round 3 and he's averaging 95.8. Substitute another 60 for his impending suspension and he's still averaging 90. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Which is the risk you take when picking midpricers, so you can't be annoyed when they eventually fail...
Tell the latter to those complaining, I'm not the one that thinks Sicily was a bad pick and was very close to trading him in last week and was considering him this week. And I will probably still look to trade him in after this suspension.
I agree it's the risk you take. Historically the template for Guns and Rookies has been solid because in the early rounds you concede that X many trades will be set aside for Rookie corrections and unlucky injuries without being overwhelmed.
Adding an extra layer of mid-price corrections (and/or taking suspension/injury prone players on top) can cause more holes than 2 trades per week can fill.
The risk vs reward curve becomes a lot steeper with those that nail it go flying and those that fail it start scrambling.
RD, you're a Gun, no1 would dispute that, and unfortunately you got the short end of the stick, picking players on their merits. By consensus they were all solid picks on an individual basis but Murphy's Law kicked you in the teeth.
I don't post here enough to have a rapport, so please take my next comments with a grain of salt (and I don't for a second believe you need this advice).
Rather than curse your bad luck getting worse every week (which it has), tell us what your new goal is (be it top X thousand) so we can back you as the Fallen Premium SC. I'd very much like to read posts (in 2023) about the time RD went from rock bottom in round 6 and came home flying.
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That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
I dare you to lay down and let someone step on your calf with boots on. Not even saying this as a North fan as I have Sic in my side. Saying this from a footy player who is disgusted that someone would do this.
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Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.
Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)
Picking mid-pricers isn't the problem, he just chose the wrong ones - Bell over Dunkley and Christensen, Lobb over Hogan, Armitage over JOM.
Sicily was still a good pick, substitute a 60 in his average for missing round 3 and he's averaging 95.8. Substitute another 60 for his impending suspension and he's still averaging 90. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Which is the risk you take when picking midpricers, so you can't be annoyed when they eventually fail...
Tell the latter to those complaining, I'm not the one that thinks Sicily was a bad pick and was very close to trading him in last week and was considering him this week. And I will probably still look to trade him in after this suspension.
I agree it's the risk you take. Historically the template for Guns and Rookies has been solid because in the early rounds you concede that X many trades will be set aside for Rookie corrections and unlucky injuries without being overwhelmed.
Adding an extra layer of mid-price corrections (and/or taking suspension/injury prone players on top) can cause more holes than 2 trades per week can fill.
The risk vs reward curve becomes a lot steeper with those that nail it go flying and those that fail it start scrambling.
RD, you're a Gun, no1 would dispute that, and unfortunately you got the short end of the stick, picking players on their merits. By consensus they were all solid picks on an individual basis but Murphy's Law kicked you in the teeth.
I don't post here enough to have a rapport, so please take my next comments with a grain of salt (and I don't for a second believe you need this advice).
Rather than curse your bad luck getting worse every week (which it has), tell us what your new goal is (be it top X thousand) so we can back you as the Fallen Premium SC. I'd very much like to read posts (in 2023) about the time RD went from rock bottom in round 6 and came home flying.
Thought I was the only one who made fake accounts...
Welcome to the club RD! :)
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I agree it's the risk you take. Historically the template for Guns and Rookies has been solid because in the early rounds you concede that X many trades will be set aside for Rookie corrections and unlucky injuries without being overwhelmed.
Adding an extra layer of mid-price corrections (and/or taking suspension/injury prone players on top) can cause more holes than 2 trades per week can fill.
The risk vs reward curve becomes a lot steeper with those that nail it go flying and those that fail it start scrambling.
RD, you're a Gun, no1 would dispute that, and unfortunately you got the short end of the stick, picking players on their merits. By consensus they were all solid picks on an individual basis but Murphy's Law kicked you in the teeth.
I don't post here enough to have a rapport, so please take my next comments with a grain of salt (and I don't for a second believe you need this advice).
Rather than curse your bad luck getting worse every week (which it has), tell us what your new goal is (be it top X thousand) so we can back you as the Fallen Premium SC. I'd very much like to read posts (in 2023) about the time RD went from rock bottom in round 6 and came home flying.
Believe me, I'm in good spirits - this is just a game after all. I probably didn't need to, but I was just highlighting the fact that so much carnage could occur in only 5 rounds, and Sicily in which this thread is about isn't helping at all haha
No doubt I made a few poor choices like Bell over Chriso and Arma/Lobb over Conigs/whatever but some of those decisions were somewhat forced as I couldn't go GnR which is my preference simply due to the lack of good enough rookies, but we move on and now I get to trade my way out if this so that's a fun challenge :)
I've always enjoyed your comments around here, so rapport is good and as crazy as it sounds I'll probably be ranked 40k or whatever after this round, but I'm super confident I can still finish Top 1%. It's a long season, and once I've ironed out all the kinks, I'll be right, but I just need a little break from injuries and suspensions eventually haha
Anyway, back on topic I've watched the footage several times and I honestly don't think what Sicily did is worth a week. He barely steps on him, and there is no force at all - in fact he is somewhat stagnate and hesitant as he walks over him, and I think he'd be lucky if just his heel brushed Atley's leg
I'm not saying that as an owner of Sicily at all, I genuinely can't see much in it although I will admit it's just stupid and Sicily needs to pull his head in big time, he just shouldn't even be putting himself in these situations at all
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Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds
Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded
Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.
Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)
Picking mid-pricers isn't the problem, he just chose the wrong ones - Bell over Dunkley and Christensen, Lobb over Hogan, Armitage over JOM.
Sicily was still a good pick, substitute a 60 in his average for missing round 3 and he's averaging 95.8. Substitute another 60 for his impending suspension and he's still averaging 90. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.
Which is the risk you take when picking midpricers, so you can't be annoyed when they eventually fail...
Tell the latter to those complaining, I'm not the one that thinks Sicily was a bad pick and was very close to trading him in last week and was considering him this week. And I will probably still look to trade him in after this suspension.
I agree it's the risk you take. Historically the template for Guns and Rookies has been solid because in the early rounds you concede that X many trades will be set aside for Rookie corrections and unlucky injuries without being overwhelmed.
Adding an extra layer of mid-price corrections (and/or taking suspension/injury prone players on top) can cause more holes than 2 trades per week can fill.
The risk vs reward curve becomes a lot steeper with those that nail it go flying and those that fail it start scrambling.
RD, you're a Gun, no1 would dispute that, and unfortunately you got the short end of the stick, picking players on their merits. By consensus they were all solid picks on an individual basis but Murphy's Law kicked you in the teeth.
I don't post here enough to have a rapport, so please take my next comments with a grain of salt (and I don't for a second believe you need this advice).
Rather than curse your bad luck getting worse every week (which it has), tell us what your new goal is (be it top X thousand) so we can back you as the Fallen Premium SC. I'd very much like to read posts (in 2023) about the time RD went from rock bottom in round 6 and came home flying.
Im sorry, ill dispute that, Tom bell was never in any way a good pick, the rest are pretty reasonable although im not sure what you expected from GAJ :P
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Im sorry, ill dispute that, Tom bell was never in any way a good pick, the rest are pretty reasonable although im not sure what you expected from GAJ :P
Yeah Bell over Christo wasn't my finest hour
As for GAJ, no regrets picking him. I knew he wouldn't play every game, and the plan was to turn him into Danger as soon as he went down or missed, but to be fair I was hoping he would last more than 3 games - if GAJ went down R6 onwards then it's a great pick because he was smashing out the scores as expected
MCrouch and Kelly were terrible picks tbh
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That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
I dare you to lay down and let someone step on your calf with boots on. Not even saying this as a North fan as I have Sic in my side. Saying this from a footy player who is disgusted that someone would do this.
Agreed. I said this in another thread ... but I'll re-iterate, treading on some1 (or kicking them) while they are on the ground is an act of cowardice.
It's not a part of any game that has rules and penalties for factoring severity and intent.
Philosophically it falls in the same category at biting, spitting, cheap-shots (e.g. from behind or to the groin), inappropriate sledging ... etc. Pretending to spit on some1 without hitting them would never be compared to a Bump.
As such, Bump vs Stamp = One is a part of the game and has a set of rules and punishments that we love to dedate be it one-eyed or otherwise, the other is
always disrespectful and will
never be justified. You should never stamp on some1. There is no debate.
I am a Hawks supporter and a Sicily owner (and admirer), zero tolerance, straight to the tribunal, 1 week minimum regardless of grades, severity, intent blah blah blah. Unless he's a Suarez (and I'm a Liverpool supporter too) it will never happen again and his bad rep can be for other love/hate actions.
Sorry for the rant :P
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That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
Dont let sicily being a flog cloud your judgement, far more dangerous to forcefully push someone into the fence. While its a terrible look its not gonna cause a heap of harm, which seems to be all people care about, not the actual intention of the act for some strange reason.
Strongly disagree there man. Check out the Dickson/McKenna incident. Didn't even draw blood yet McKenna will spend 3 weeks on the sidelines for the bite.
Are you disagreeing with forcefully pushing someone into the fence is more dangerous?
So a SC question.... Is Sicily still a keeper - for those who have him
I traded Sicily out in R3 for Gray to avoid a donut (thanks Greene) and traded Sicily back in last week for Venables. This is fine. I am fine.
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So a SC question.... Is Sicily still a keeper - for those who have him
If he keeps scoring like he is, yep for sure
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So a SC question.... Is Sicily still a keeper - for those who have him
From a SC perspective consider it as a mathematical equation of the position he fills in your team. i.e. for me it's F4.
As similarly explained above, Sicily as my F4 position so far this season has been 125, 61, 23 (Venables filling in for suspension), 110 and 123 for an average of 88.
Next week I will likely have Henry for cover averaging 54. So I'm looking at F4 dropping to an average of 83 ... which is last straw territory borderline failed mid-pricer.
Alternatively if Guelfi has another good game and is named for his 3rd I can loophole the better out of him and Henry, or if Z.Landon is back and I can use Sicily to loophole the better score out of him and Henry.
I have to weigh all this up vs burning a trade to say Robbie Gray (and taking a Sub score for his R10 bye) and losing a possible F/D link later in the season.
If it's one week (and you have decent cover or bigger issues) then I'd lean towards yes, but otherwise flip a coin or go with your gut.
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Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible. Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.
exactly, just fine the bloke and get on with it.
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Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible. Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.
exactly, just fine the bloke and get on with it.
I'll be stoked if it gets a fine as I have him in my team but I'm expecting 1-2 weeks. It's a terrible look and although not as physically damaging as a high bump or dangerous tackle it's something the afl hate to see (like the biting) and will want to make an example of
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Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible. Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.
exactly, just fine the bloke and get on with it.
I'll be stoked if it gets a fine as I have him in my team but I'm expecting 1-2 weeks. It's a terrible look and although not as physically damaging as a high bump or dangerous tackle it's something the afl hate to see (like the biting) and will want to make an example of
Yep if he was going to get fined it would have been done yesterday , he did it on purpose little contact or not , expecting 2 weeks could be 1 or could be 3 who knows but they will make sure that players know it is not on..... and yes I have him >:(
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You don't get a fine when you get sent to the tribunal Christian was just on the news and did not seems at all amused with it , said it was a dangerous action that could cause injury he's gone 2 minimum my guess
If this is actually what Christian said then he's contradicting his own decisions badly. Forcefully pushing someone into a fence
could cause serious injury, tackling someone when they haven't got the ball and driving their head into the ground
could cause serious injury, deliberately trying to trip someone
could cause serious injury, but because there was no injury in those incidents those players got off with a fine.
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You don't get a fine when you get sent to the tribunal Christian was just on the news and did not seems at all amused with it , said it was a dangerous action that could cause injury he's gone 2 minimum my guess
If this is actually what Christian said then he's contradicting his own decisions badly. Forcefully pushing someone into a fence could cause serious injury, tackling someone when they haven't got the ball and driving their head into the ground could cause serious injury, deliberately trying to trip someone could cause serious injury, but because there was no injury in those incidents those players got off with a fine.
This.
AFL's system is flawed.
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 23, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
My thinking:
0 weeks - of course keep, but I don't think this is a realistic chance of happening (I'm still optimistic though).
1 week - keep, and focus on trading rookies such as Fritsch and Garlett to G-Langdon and Guelfi as it's much better long-term.
2+ weeks - trade, either find the money to upgrade to a Heeney/Gray or grab some cash by taking a risk on someone like Deledio.
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I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
whoa, that's a rough ride RD! :o :P
how frustrating is it as a Sic-dog owner people??!!? :-X :P ;)
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I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
whoa, that's a rough ride RD! :o :P
how frustrating is it as a Sic-dog owner people??!!? :-X :P ;)
Great roller coaster. Pumping out big scores when he's in so gotta stay the course with him.
His DPP makes it easy-ish to cover for him too.
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I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
whoa, that's a rough ride RD! :o :P
how frustrating is it as a Sic-dog owner people??!!? :-X :P ;)
Great roller coaster. Pumping out big scores when he's in so gotta stay the course with him.
His DPP makes it easy-ish to cover for him too.
How does his DPP link provide any help when trying to cover him at the moment? Who do you have that is playing that can swap with him, because like most people I got Keeffe but it's no good when he's not playing either.
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I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
whoa, that's a rough ride RD! :o :P
how frustrating is it as a Sic-dog owner people??!!? :-X :P ;)
Great roller coaster. Pumping out big scores when he's in so gotta stay the course with him.
His DPP makes it easy-ish to cover for him too.
How does his DPP link provide any help when trying to cover him at the moment? Who do you have that is playing that can swap with him, because like most people I got Keeffe but it's no good when he's not playing either.
Means I can trade Bonner (was going to anyway) swing him back and bring in Guelfi. Cover him with Coffield/Banfield/Crowden.
If he was fwd only I'd probably be forced to trade him.
Though I'm sure others will be using him differently.
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I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
whoa, that's a rough ride RD! :o :P
how frustrating is it as a Sic-dog owner people??!!? :-X :P ;)
Great roller coaster. Pumping out big scores when he's in so gotta stay the course with him.
His DPP makes it easy-ish to cover for him too.
How does his DPP link provide any help when trying to cover him at the moment? Who do you have that is playing that can swap with him, because like most people I got Keeffe but it's no good when he's not playing either.
Just that Keeffe allows you swing Sicily around, so you have the choice of both def and fwd rookies to cover Sic.
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I started 13 keepers, plus Lobb and Arma. Of those 13, only Laird, Titch, Fyfe, Gawn, Buddy and Heeney have been good
Put a line through Buddy now
down to 5 survivors from 15 total LMAO ;D
For everyone that has the remaining 5, I apologise in advance for what will eventually happen to them :P
whoa, that's a rough ride RD! :o :P
how frustrating is it as a Sic-dog owner people??!!? :-X :P ;)
Great roller coaster. Pumping out big scores when he's in so gotta stay the course with him.
His DPP makes it easy-ish to cover for him too.
How does his DPP link provide any help when trying to cover him at the moment? Who do you have that is playing that can swap with him, because like most people I got Keeffe but it's no good when he's not playing either.
Just that Keeffe allows you swing Sicily around, so you have the choice of both def and fwd rookies to cover Sic.
So are you thinking of trading Keeffe to a G-Langdon/Guelfi/Mirra?
Looks like I am playing Guelfi, and Crowden at F5/6 this weekend
Just watched the incident properly then.
It's so trivial what he does that it should honestly be thrown out and dealt with personally by the club.
You'd get a worse graze sliding for a mark, no impact on Atley whatsoever. North appear to have complained to the AFL just to get Sicily suspended. I know he's a flog, but honestly something like this could even be dealt with via an exchange of texts or something. No worse than what Zorko did tbh, and they don't give out weeks just because someone's not a good bloke (or do they? ???)
Stupid, yes. Bad look, yes. To quote Chris Scott defending Duckwood though: "Is that really worth a week?"
(Watch Duckwood get let off tonight, and Sicily get 3 weeks+ ;D)
Edit: Always get the Scotts mixed up...
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Just watched the incident properly then.
It's so trivial what he does that it should honestly be thrown out and dealt with personally by the club.
You'd get a worse graze sliding for a mark, no impact on Atley whatsoever. North appear to have complained to the AFL just to get Sicily suspended. I know he's a flog, but honestly something like this could even be dealt with via an exchange of texts or something. No worse than what Zorko did tbh, and they don't give out weeks just because someone's not a good bloke (or do they? ???)
Stupid, yes. Bad look, yes. To quote Chris Scott defending Duckwood though: "Is that really worth a week?"
(Watch Duckwood get let off tonight, and Sicily get 3 weeks+ ;D)
Edit: Always get the Scotts mixed up...
Atley apparently spent a long time on the bench following the incident getting his ankle etc checked out. Dont know what that means for Sicily's chances but its more than a graze I'd say.
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Edit: Always get the Scotts mixed up...
A little trick that may help is the shape of the initial letters
C - G as Chris - Geelong (curved formations)
B - N as Brad - North (formation of the letter begins with a straight line (l) N B)
remember that and you'll have no problem haha.
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Edit: Always get the Scotts mixed up...
A little trick that may help is the shape of the initial letters
C - G as Chris - Geelong (curved formations)
B - N as Brad - North (formation of the letter begins with a straight line (l) N B)
remember that and you'll have no problem haha.
North = Bad = Brad (both B's) is how I remember.
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Edit: Always get the Scotts mixed up...
A little trick that may help is the shape of the initial letters
C - G as Chris - Geelong (curved formations)
B - N as Brad - North (formation of the letter begins with a straight line (l) N B)
remember that and you'll have no problem haha.
North = Bad = Brad (both B's) is how I remember.
I just remember that Chris is the Cats coach. Therefore Brad is the other one. Lol.
Hearing is happening right now
Sicily pleads guilty, arguing for one week
James Sicily has plead guilty to the charge of serious misconduct. His advocate, Peter O'Farrell, will argue for a one-week suspension
So he's copping at least 1 now, FFS
Sicily and Buddy on the pine next week, with Venables, Fritsch and Henry I'm going to need to pull something out of the bag here!
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 24, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
Hearing is happening right now
Sicily pleads guilty, arguing for one week
James Sicily has plead guilty to the charge of serious misconduct. His advocate, Peter O'Farrell, will argue for a one-week suspension
So he's copping at least 1 now, FFS
Sicily and Buddy on the pine next week, with Venables, Fritsch and Henry I'm going to need to pull something out of the bag here!
I'm amazed he's not saying 0 weeks and just a fine would suffice. Clearly wasn't too much force in it and the medical report came back clean too. Frustrating that he'll miss at least 1.
What did Sammy Mitchell get for corking Fyfe’s quad?
And there it is - Sicily to have a weeks holiday.....
A week.... may cop a doughnut next week too...
Sicily, Venables, Fritsch, ZGL.
Will trade Venables to Guelfi/ Higgins and ponder over a second trade.
Have to keep Sicily though.
1 week is good expected a couple but will he learn ?
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1 week is good expected a couple but will he learn ?
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What did Sammy Mitchell get for corking Fyfe’s quad?
A fine. Also another fine for corking Tex as well :P
Quote from: enzedder on April 24, 2018, 07:04:51 PM
A week.... may cop a doughnut next week too...
Sicily, Venables, Fritsch, ZGL.
Will trade Venables to Guelfi/ Higgins and ponder over a second trade.
Have to keep Sicily though.
I thought ZGL was ready to come back next week. Or I can swap Sicily with Keefe. No, that is not going to work. Maybe GWS will have mercy and start Keefe.
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A week.... may cop a doughnut next week too...
Sicily, Venables, Fritsch, ZGL.
Will trade Venables to Guelfi/ Higgins and ponder over a second trade.
Have to keep Sicily though.
I thought ZGL was ready to come back next week. Or I can swap Sicily with Keefe. No, that is not going to work. Maybe GWS will have mercy and start Keefe.
ZGL is certainly in contention for round 6. Let’s hope he’s in for sure.
Ah well, 1 week isn't so bad
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Ah well, 1 week isn't so bad
Not bad as long as ZGL gets the call-up.
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Ah well, 1 week isn't so bad
Not bad as long as ZGL gets the call-up.
Atm I think i'll look to bring in a non playing ruck/fwd and swing English fwd. Then i can loop him or Henry through Venables
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Ah well, 1 week isn't so bad
Not bad as long as ZGL gets the call-up.
Atm I think i'll look to bring in a non playing ruck/fwd and swing English fwd. Then i can loop him or Henry through Venables
Join me on the Sam Hayes bandwagon! :D
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Ah well, 1 week isn't so bad
Not bad as long as ZGL gets the call-up.
Atm I think i'll look to bring in a non playing ruck/fwd and swing English fwd. Then i can loop him or Henry through Venables
Join me on the Sam Hayes bandwagon! :D
haha i just might
Had planned to get Yeo into my backline this week as my first upgrade but it looks like I'll have to get a forward premo to avoid a donut
Tell you what Sicily is still fairly cheap.. Considering he could be an option next week if Hibberd stinks it up again (which he probably will)..
Jump off one emotional rollercoaster for another ;D
Quote from: jfitty on April 25, 2018, 09:25:04 PM
Tell you what Sicily is still fairly cheap.. Considering he could be an option next week if Hibberd stinks it up again (which he probably will)..
Jump off one emotional rollercoaster for another ;D
Yeah I was going to go Mclean or Acres next week but Sicily's price and bye is looking real appealing :-X
Quote from: jfitty on April 25, 2018, 09:25:04 PM
Tell you what Sicily is still fairly cheap.. Considering he could be an option next week if Hibberd stinks it up again (which he probably will)..
Jump off one emotional rollercoaster for another ;D
At least Sicily can score.
Hibberd is now officially a spud. Even if he improves, he'll be lucky to push a 90 avg at best.
Can see me 100% going hibbo to sicily if hibbo is bad again.
Quote from: Holz on April 26, 2018, 12:48:44 AM
Can see me 100% going hibbo to sicily if hibbo is bad again.
Yep not a bad plan I feel.
If Hibberd can muster up a 70 (sounds so wrong to say), it'll only cost about 15k to flick him to Sicily. Done.
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https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184
The footage
That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.
Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.
Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground
Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.
This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it
Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay
2-3? You have to be joking. :o
Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement
Dont let sicily being a flog cloud your judgement, far more dangerous to forcefully push someone into the fence. While its a terrible look its not gonna cause a heap of harm, which seems to be all people care about, not the actual intention of the act for some strange reason.
Strongly disagree there man. Check out the Dickson/McKenna incident. Didn't even draw blood yet McKenna will spend 3 weeks on the sidelines for the bite.
Are you disagreeing with forcefully pushing someone into the fence is more dangerous?
The push is inside the field of play, if anything the fence is too close to the boundary.
Stomping someone on the ground is far, far worse look for the game. We'll have to agree to disagree here haha
What's everyone's thoughts on Sicily?
Need to replace Walters as even though he is returning in 2 weeks I think he might be kept up forward to preserve his knee from further damage. Was originally thinking McLean but now think Sicily might be the better option as I'll be able to switch him forward and back during the bye rounds.
Quote from: smashbox on May 04, 2018, 12:10:24 AM
What's everyone's thoughts on Sicily?
Need to replace Walters as even though he is returning in 2 weeks I think he might be kept up forward to preserve his knee from further damage. Was originally thinking McLean but now think Sicily might be the better option as I'll be able to switch him forward and back during the bye rounds.
Get suspended is always a worry but i think he would b on thin ice with clarko so fingers crossed hes good for the rest of the yr
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What's everyone's thoughts on Sicily?
Need to replace Walters as even though he is returning in 2 weeks I think he might be kept up forward to preserve his knee from further damage. Was originally thinking McLean but now think Sicily might be the better option as I'll be able to switch him forward and back during the bye rounds.
Get suspended is always a worry but i think he would b on thin ice with clarko so fingers crossed hes good for the rest of the yr
He was on thin ice to start the year and has been reported twice in the first 5 games lol.
I've had hi from the start and he's a solid scorer but my god he's a dick
Can he keep up a 100 average? Has 3 tons from 4 games so far. Need a Walters replacement, and Sicily is $60k cheaper than McLean.
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on May 05, 2018, 02:03:52 PM
Can he keep up a 100 average? Has 3 tons from 4 games so far. Need a Walters replacement, and Sicily is $60k cheaper than McLean.
I think he can, but he's a rollercoaster. The DPP is useful too.
I went early on Murray to Sicily. On a slightly selfish note, a late withdrawal by Murray will really validate my decision. :)
Both had similar break evens and I'm hoping that Sicily will pull his head in after being suspended twice for stupid actions.
Yeah it’s amazing how much less of a flog he is when you trade him in and he goes 130+ haha
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Yeah it’s amazing how much less of a flog he is when you trade him in and he goes 130+ haha
He's a great bloke, so I found out a few hours ago.
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Yeah it’s amazing how much less of a flog he is when you trade him in and he goes 130+ haha
Traded him in this week and i have nearly forgiven for being a toss
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Yeah it’s amazing how much less of a flog he is when you trade him in and he goes 130+ haha
Traded him in this week and i have nearly forgiven for being a toss
Yesterday's flog is today's hero :P
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Yeah it’s amazing how much less of a flog he is when you trade him in and he goes 130+ haha
Traded him in this week and i have nearly forgiven for being a toss
Yesterday's flog is today's hero :P
Best trade I’ve done so far!
All this praise can only lead to one thing.. 100% will score 50 and get reported next week now :-X
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Yeah it’s amazing how much less of a flog he is when you trade him in and he goes 130+ haha
Traded him in this week and i have nearly forgiven for being a toss
Yesterday's flog is today's hero :P
Best trade I’ve done so far!
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All this praise can only lead to one thing.. 100% will score 50 and get reported next week now :-X
He is reading this post now doubt
Had him since the start. Held him through his garbage. Mark my words, there will be more garbage to come.
Quote from: SilverLion on May 06, 2018, 11:09:26 AM
Had him since the start. Held him through his garbage. Mark my words, there will be more garbage to come.
But, that's why SC has been fun this season, right? :P
Better than watching JPK spud when I have him, and do well when I don't...
BE will be around 10.
Hard to resist now
Think I'm gonna bring him in this week now
If Keefe holds his spot, surely Sicily becomes a must have with the ability to swing and cover F/D.
Thinking of upgrading Finlayson to him depending on team announcements and injury, Not getting Keefe though due to other issues with def rookies.
I don't know what else he would have to do to convince people he is a must have like him or not and even more of a reason would be he has gone 1 game without being reported :D , as for getting Keeffe just so you can move Sicily think that is a waste of a trade if you did not start him , don't think he will be in the team long term.
It's a weird one for me. I rage traded out Menegola in round 2. Brought in Sicily.
Just traded him in and it makes me feel dirty.
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Just traded him in and it makes me feel dirty.
I felt the same grabbing Duckwood last week but the points are mighty cleansing
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Just traded him in and it makes me feel dirty.
I felt the same grabbing Duckwood last week but the points are mighty cleansing
Judas! :o
When do they play Carlton?
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When do they play Carlton?
Not until Round 18, can loophole him that week ;)
Quote from: fanTCfool on May 09, 2018, 11:20:42 PM
Not until Round 18, can loophole him that week ;)
Just hope you have a non playing rookie that week. I wouldn't want his 34 on the field.
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Not until Round 18, can loophole him that week ;)
Just hope you have a non playing rookie that week. I wouldn't want his 34 on the field.
Haha
Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
Quote from: smashbox on May 10, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
If you pick him it's for the rest of the season, not one game.
Will you get him next week?
Quote from: smashbox on May 10, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
This, im tossing up who to bring in, one of sis or McLean this week and the other next week, who would score better this week given that the dogs play brissy at ethihad and hawks are playing through a storm this week??
Quote from: smashbox on May 10, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
This is Melbourne we're talking about. Weather will change 5 times between now and then lol
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Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
This is Melbourne we're talking about. Weather will change 5 times between now and then lol
Haha yep live in South Gippsland and was supposed to be fairly ordinary today ...... no rain , no wind and the sun has been out all day the only thing they got right was it was cold ;)
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Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
This is Melbourne we're talking about. Weather will change 5 times between now and then lol
Haha yep live in South Gippsland and was supposed to be fairly ordinary today ...... no rain , no wind and the sun has been out all day the only thing they got right was it was cold ;)
Spot on ;D
Quote from: smashbox on May 10, 2018, 09:08:46 AM
Decided against bringing in Sicily this week as it's going to absolutely piss down tomorrow night. Will make it hard for an intercept defender to take those marks
The weather is never 100%
Where do we all see this flog bloke in our final sides? I'm thinking forward.
Defender prems (must haves eventually I believe):
Laird, Hurley, Yeo, Simpson
Forward prems (" "):
Heeney, McLean, Gray
Because of that I'd say it'd make more sense for him to end up in the forward line. Leaving 2 positions on each line open, which leaves spots for guys like Lloyd, Savage, Witherden, Touhy, Robinson, Franklin, Walters, Mundy, Smith etc. etc. to fill those two spots on each line. Rather than only 1 defender and being forced to find 3 forwards.
Just grabbed him then. I almost feel sick that I dont't feel sick about bringing him in.
It just seems right.... which seems wrong.
I'm not sure.
I'm switching him fwd atm to make the most of def rookies outscoring fwd ones.
But I think I'll end up with him in defence where I started him.
Heeney,McLean(traded in for Walters),Smith,Billings (trade to Walters when he bottoms out)
Leaves 2 spots for Gray and Buddy.
Then Laird,Simpson,Hurley,Yeo and Sicily and one spot for Howe?
Rather lock in Gray and Buddy and choose 1 defender than miss Buddy and choose 2 defenders.
Buddy much more upside than a Savage/Howe/Hurn/whoever
Quote from: SilverLion on May 11, 2018, 02:19:33 PM
Where do we all see this flog bloke in our final sides? I'm thinking forward.
Defender prems (must haves eventually I believe):
Laird, Hurley, Yeo, Simpson
Forward prems (" "):
Heeney, McLean, Gray
Because of that I'd say it'd make more sense for him to end up in the forward line. Leaving 2 positions on each line open, which leaves spots for guys like Lloyd, Savage, Witherden, Touhy, Robinson, Franklin, Walters, Mundy, Smith etc. etc. to fill those two spots on each line. Rather than only 1 defender and being forced to find 3 forwards.
2 weeks ago I thought defence, but now I’m leaning towards forwards as well.
It will depend on who is performing best once we get all of the 7 “must-haves†you listed. By then we should have a decent body of work to make a solid judgement.
Lock him in for top 6, best trade I made all year.
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Lock him in for top 6, best trade I made all year.
Got him last week at under $450k. Playing a very very SC friendly role. Top 6 def/fwd for sure!
Effectively replaced Billings with this fella, suffice to say I'm pretty happy with that decision.