Poll
Question:
Back the youthful or bring in experienced midfielders?
Option 1: Kids are good
votes: 3
Option 2: Need that extra midfield gun
votes: 8
Option 3: Good kids but still need that trade for a gun
votes: 4
Option 4: Sacrifice youth to trade for midfield guns
votes: 1
So we have a few decent young midfielders but were found wanting in recent weeks in the middle so.
stick with and back in this group (Some may want more opportunities)
CEY, Gore, B Crouch, M Crouch, Milera, Lyons, Grigg, Atkins, Knight, Wigg
Is there enough emerging talent there to work with pre-season or
Do we need to trade for these? Maybe letting a few of the above go
Rockliff, Martin, Delidio, Hartlett
If CEY and Lyons both depart, it may be worth looking into the crosstown rival
If Sloane goes down with an injury we are up the creek. I think we need an extra gun and rotate as many young ones through at the same time to give them that experience. It is a tough balancing act.
As a Carlton fan I wouldn't mind losing Gibbs if we got your number one pick and a few of CEY, Lyons, Grigg, Dear and even Wigg.
SO today they're (5AA) discussing the Gov and #13 for Gibbs and it seems like Carlton want to hold Adelaide to ransom given his three year contract (Stupid Bryce, could've come for free two years ago)
Personally I'd rather see CEY, Gore, Wigg and Milera get a go, keep #13 and the Gov, Deer or who else and bank on the Crouch Bros rather than over paying for a 28yr barely an A grader
With pick #13 they could get Shag Junior (Jonty Schareberg) or maybe Rockliff and maybe another top 20 pick because it seems Lyons will go
Quote from: tbagrocks on October 11, 2016, 06:26:13 PM
SO today they're (5AA) discussing the Gov and #13 for Gibbs and it seems like Carlton want to hold Adelaide to ransom given his three year contract (Stupid Bryce, could've come for free two years ago)
Personally I'd rather see CEY, Gore, Wigg and Milera get a go, keep #13 and the Gov, Deer or who else and bank on the Crouch Bros rather than over paying for a 28yr barely an A grader
With pick #13 they could get Shag Junior (Jonty Schareberg) or maybe Rockliff and maybe another top 20 pick because it seems Lyons will go
Oh boy. CEY, Gore and Wigg will never be half the player Gibbs is and Milera isn't an inside midfielder so we may as well rebuild going down that route if you're going to overrate our players like that. We aren't getting anywhere with Sloane, Crouch, and Crouch, no one else on our squad is good enough to hold their own in the middle against the best and Gibbs is a definite A grader.
Jonty won't make an impact straight away like Gibbs would and like we need since we are in our window now, not in 4 years. I wouldn't say no to Rockliff though but Gibbs has to be the priority. Lyons won't get us a top 20 pick as well.
Crows are at the stage where the only way they will win a premiership is by adding two or three ready made A grade material players. It's awesome to develop youth and stuff, but whats the point of developing all this youth, becuase by the time theyre all developed our core players will be in nursing homes
14 and next years first round pick for Gibbs ;)
Calling it now!
Quote from: Money Shot on October 11, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
14 and next years first round pick for Gibbs ;)
Calling it now!
Yeah, nah. Maybe if we get 24 from you this year.
Quote from: TomK on October 11, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 11, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
14 and next years first round pick for Gibbs ;)
Calling it now!
Yeah, nah. Maybe if we get 24 from you this year.
Yeah that sounds fair! Or maybe even next years second round from us! It'll probably be 19 :(
Quote from: Money Shot on October 11, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
Quote from: TomK on October 11, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: Money Shot on October 11, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
14 and next years first round pick for Gibbs ;)
Calling it now!
Yeah, nah. Maybe if we get 24 from you this year.
Yeah that sounds fair! Or maybe even next years second round from us! It'll probably be 19 :(
I'd be ok with that or something like it otherwise sit with what we have now and develope that.
TBH Gibbs isn't the key that will deliver a flag to us, he'll help no doubt about it but we still need another of his quality or better to be a serious chance at a flag. Teams need 8-10 guys that can play various amounts of minutes in the gut's and even with Gibbs we still don't quite have the 10 guys of the quality needed. Once you get past our best 5 the quality drops off pretty quick. We have the talent on the list but need to develope it further, they just need time.
Do you think you have capacity to make a play for Rocky should coach discussion with him not go well.
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
Do you think you have capacity to make a play for Rocky should coach discussion with him not go well.
We've got the cash and we need his kind big time. Rather take Rocky then Gibbs to be honest.
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
Do you think you have capacity to make a play for Rocky should coach discussion with him not go well.
We've got the cash and we need his kind big time. Rather take Rocky then Gibbs to be honest.
Why when rocky is the same type as Sloane and the crouches?
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
Do you think you have capacity to make a play for Rocky should coach discussion with him not go well.
We've got the cash and we need his kind big time. Rather take Rocky then Gibbs to be honest.
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I'd prefer Gibbs to Rocky.
Quote from: TomK on October 12, 2016, 05:50:49 PM
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
Do you think you have capacity to make a play for Rocky should coach discussion with him not go well.
We've got the cash and we need his kind big time. Rather take Rocky then Gibbs to be honest.
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That would soooooooo good. To good to contemplate. :o
Quote from: JBs-Hawks on October 12, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
Quote from: Ringo on October 12, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
Do you think you have capacity to make a play for Rocky should coach discussion with him not go well.
We've got the cash and we need his kind big time. Rather take Rocky then Gibbs to be honest.
Why when rocky is the same type as Sloane and the crouches?
This doesn't bother me at all, we can develope what we have to play a Gibbs type role and he's younger.
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 05:58:13 PM
I'd prefer Gibbs to Rocky.
Really ???
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Gibbs is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Gibbs is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree with that but we have players that can eventually do a Gibbs role with time we don't have to many Rocky types on our list that i'm aware of.
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Gibbs is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree. I'd prefer Gibbs if I was an Adelaide supporter
Quote from: Ricochet on October 12, 2016, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Gibbs is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree. I'd prefer Gibbs if I was an Adelaide supporter
As an outside mid every day of the week, I agree. Gibbs is quality but we can develope that kind of player maybe not to that standard but we can and have ten years or more service from them.
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 12, 2016, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Softie is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree. I'd prefer Softie if I was an Adelaide supporter
As an outside mid every day of the week, I agree. Softie is quality but we can develope that kind of player maybe not to that standard but we can and have ten years or more service from them.
Your premiership window is now though, if Sloaney goes down, your midfield is in trouble. Gibbs is the perfect player for you guys atm.
GIBBS should be picked up, crows have loads of talent with Talia Laird down back, Betts jenkins Lynch up front but I reckon only Sloane and B.Crouch as the elite mids. No brainer to give 13 + Gov.
Carlton can play hardball all they want, keeping a player who requested a trade is not a smart move and they arent even ready yet so they are wasting Gibbs prime. Gibbs will excell at the crows with Crouch bros and Sloane feeding him the ball, let alone i actual healthy ruck in jacobs for once.
Rocky and Gibbs is overkill, they dont need rocky at all he's a fantasy gun but not a superstar, i want the ball in the hands of Sloane B.Crouch Gibbs not him.
Quote from: Holz on October 13, 2016, 10:41:05 AMNo brainer to give 13 + Gov.
Yeah, we would have no brain if we did that :P
Quote from: TomK on October 13, 2016, 10:55:33 AM
Quote from: Holz on October 13, 2016, 10:41:05 AMNo brainer to give 13 + Gov.
Yeah, we would have no brain if we did that :P
Even as a biased Carlton fan even I can see that 13 + McGovern is unreasonable! Cameron and the crouch Bros are also unreasonable also!
Think picks are going to be what gets it done with Lyons and Ellis-Yolmen saying they don't want to come to Carlton!
Gibbs for 13 and next years first is still overs but you're not losing a quality player! And I think that's what will get it done!
Quote from: Vinny on October 13, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 12, 2016, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Softie is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree. I'd prefer Softie if I was an Adelaide supporter
As an outside mid every day of the week, I agree. Softie is quality but we can develope that kind of player maybe not to that standard but we can and have ten years or more service from them.
Your premiership window is now though, if Sloaney goes down, your midfield is in trouble. Softie is the perfect player for you guys atm.
If Sloane went down even with Gibbs we'd still be in trouble I reckon mate.
Quote from: Grazz on October 13, 2016, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 13, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 12, 2016, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Softie is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree. I'd prefer Softie if I was an Adelaide supporter
As an outside mid every day of the week, I agree. Softie is quality but we can develope that kind of player maybe not to that standard but we can and have ten years or more service from them.
Your premiership window is now though, if Sloaney goes down, your midfield is in trouble. Softie is the perfect player for you guys atm.
If Sloane went down even with Softie we'd still be in trouble I reckon mate.
depends on the crouch brothers particlaury brad, brad is a potential superstar he just needs to stay healthy have a full preseason and have confidence in his body.
in saying that sloane is a top 5 player in the comp and obviously losing someone of that quality is a huge blow to any finals chance.
Quote from: Holz on October 13, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: Grazz on October 13, 2016, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Vinny on October 13, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: Grazz on October 12, 2016, 06:47:47 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on October 12, 2016, 06:21:42 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 12, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
Yeah Rocky is a bit of a hack imo. Think we need someone who is more damaging and cleaner with the footy. Rocky is a similar type to Thommo and the Crouch boys.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on October 12, 2016, 06:11:27 PM
Softie is much more quality on the outside than Rocky I'd think, and a better ball user.
Agree. I'd prefer Softie if I was an Adelaide supporter
As an outside mid every day of the week, I agree. Softie is quality but we can develope that kind of player maybe not to that standard but we can and have ten years or more service from them.
Your premiership window is now though, if Sloaney goes down, your midfield is in trouble. Softie is the perfect player for you guys atm.
If Sloane went down even with Softie we'd still be in trouble I reckon mate.
depends on the crouch brothers particlaury brad, brad is a potential superstar he just needs to stay healthy have a full preseason and have confidence in his body.
in saying that sloane is a top 5 player in the comp and obviously losing someone of that quality is a huge blow to any finals chance.
Hoping with a full preseason Brad can get back to his best footy, we need that big time. Matt hopefully continues on improving his disposal needs to improve.
Where do you guys rate Softie as an inside mid compared to an outside mid out of 10 ?
The reason I ask is if Sloane went down we're screwed, saw it against WC when we had nobody who could win their own ball.
As an outside mid Gibbs is very good but does he and can he win enough of his own ball should Sloane go down, i'm not so sure. This is my major concern and where Rocky would be very handy, don't forget this guy was AA a couple of years back and in a decent side I think he can be a hell of a lot better than we've seen of late.
We did ok last year without Gibbs and losing Danger but as we saw against WC without Sloanes grunt work in the packs we are pretty ordinary, my greatest fear is losing Sloane for an extended period, could be season over for us without another who can step in.
I still think Adelaide can land Rocky and Gibbs but, will cost us a heap (Unlike what the perennial cheaters Hawks underpay for theirs)
But we might not have a top 50 pick :P and I'd still expect Henderson and Lyons at least, to move on. Plus what we have to give Brisbane and Carlton
Hopefully Rocky stays another year 8) Then a freebee
So Adelaide has one A-grade midfielder and they on the hunt for another
Thing I, I reckon these guys can play and some i'll list first, stepped up this year already
Matt Crouch, Jarryd Lyons, Rory Atkins. Then Brad Crouch played well, Riley Knight played well 2015 finals, Dean Gore got better in SANFL later on and Harry Wigg can seriously play, emergency a few times. Then there is Wayne Milera, budding star and what of untapped star Cam Ellis-Yolmen? Only two of these players are older than 22yrs (Lyons 24, CEY 23)
I know everyone thinks we need another mature star like Gibbs or Rocky but. What if a few of these talented young players have big pre-seasons and step right up to match Sloany and Thommo's output?
Just say'n there are some younger talent here, especially CEY, Wigg, Crouch Bros and Milera. Atking goes alright too and if JL stays, he could be second in clearances. Even over the Crouch Bros :o
Probably why Adelaide hasn't been active in trade week, do they really need to? ???
Even with the expected improvement of youngsters Atkins, Crouch Bros, CEY, Gore, Wigg, Milera, Knight, Grigg (If he stays)
WHat are the odds of Tommy Rockliff becoming a free agent to the crows in October 2017?
I'm thinking that is the favourite outcome? Which means whatever Adelaide does in the next 12 months, doesn't overly matter. Apart from that 2017 flag :P
Unmitigated disaster.
Oh no. Just thought of another 22 games of Thommo... I feel sick.
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Oh no. Just thought of another 22 games of Thommo... I feel sick.
Haha hopefully one or two of the youngens step up mate after a big preseason mate. Not a great result for us have to agree.
Quote from: Grazz on October 20, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Oh no. Just thought of another 22 games of Thommo... I feel sick.
Haha hopefully one or two of the youngens step up mate after a big preseason mate. Not a great result for us have to agree.
I'm not even that disappointed that we didn't give into SOS's unreasonable demands for Gibbs. But losing Lyons for nothing ???
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: Grazz on October 20, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Oh no. Just thought of another 22 games of Thommo... I feel sick.
Haha hopefully one or two of the youngens step up mate after a big preseason mate. Not a great result for us have to agree.
I'm not even that disappointed that we didn't give into SOS's unreasonable demands for Softie. But losing Lyons for nothing ???
Neither am I, actually happy we didn't cave, but yeh Lyons "Not happy Jan" moment for me.
Quote from: Grazz on October 20, 2016, 03:51:19 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 03:49:15 PM
Quote from: Grazz on October 20, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
Quote from: Jay on October 20, 2016, 03:18:57 PM
Oh no. Just thought of another 22 games of Thommo... I feel sick.
Haha hopefully one or two of the youngens step up mate after a big preseason mate. Not a great result for us have to agree.
I'm not even that disappointed that we didn't give into SOS's unreasonable demands for Softie. But losing Lyons for nothing ???
Neither am I, actually happy we didn't cave, but yeh Lyons "Not happy Jan" moment for me.
Very happy we didn't get Gibbs, Carlton were unreasonable with there demands of 2x 1st round picks.
Yes we lost Lyons, but he wanted to go and we did offer a contract that he knocked back.
I'd probably imagine that CEY gets Lyons spot (Although Wigg might improve) and Milera before Thompson
Those two or three I reckon, then Riley Knight has AFL experience
Finding it hard to get excited for 2017, we can't compete with our midfield and Thommo will be even worse next year. He should be similar to Podsiadly in 2015 where he just sat in the SANFL all year. Another player I worry will decline further is Douglas and with us not landing Gibbs, he'll probably get picked every week again, I wouldn't have a problem with it if we played him as a midfielder full time and not on a flank, maybe he picks up the time in the middle we've lost from Lyons and maybe Thommo out the 22.
CEY is running out of time, chuck him in the middle full time and see what he can do, not on a flank. I'm very bullish about Hugh Greenwood though, would not be surprised if he is upgraded and starts round one, could be what we need as a goal-kicking midfielder, big-bodied, good skills, good hands, good speed for his size, decent kick for how long he didn't play for, I'm really liking the look of him. Couldn't guess our rough best 22 at the moment, depends what path Pyke wants to go down.
Quote from: TomK on October 20, 2016, 07:09:33 PM
Finding it hard to get excited for 2017, we can't compete with our midfield and Thommo will be even worse next year.
This is basically all there is to it. Our big goal this off-season was to improve our midfield, instead we've weakened it. I can't see how we're better in 2017.