Answer 108 super coach points ?
anywhere from -60 to 300
Surely everyone knows by now, it's whether or not they are to teammates or opponents
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
anywhere from -60 to 300
hahaha.
I think rucks overscore in SC. Wouldn't mind it being -2 or -3 for a clear sharked hitout. Maybe even -4 if it directly leads to a clearance.
Quote from: batt on July 31, 2016, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
anywhere from -60 to 300
hahaha.
I think rucks overscore in SC. Wouldn't mind it being -2 or -3 for a clear sharked hitout. Maybe even -4 if it directly leads to a clearance.
They were over scoring a few years ago when they got 1pt for each HO, thats why they changed the scoring
Now its 5 for a HOTA, 0 for and ineffective HO and -1 for a sharked HO
Quote from: fanTCfool on July 31, 2016, 06:54:53 PM
Surely everyone knows by now, it's whether or not they are to teammates or opponents
To be fair he did have 19 HOTA
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2016, 07:13:33 PM
Quote from: batt on July 31, 2016, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
anywhere from -60 to 300
hahaha.
I think rucks overscore in SC. Wouldn't mind it being -2 or -3 for a clear sharked hitout. Maybe even -4 if it directly leads to a clearance.
They were over scoring a few years ago when they got 1pt for each HO, thats why they changed the scoring
Now its 5 for a HOTA, 0 for and ineffective HO and -1 for a sharked HO
Isn't it only 5 in the 50? And 3 in the middle of the ground?
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2016, 07:13:33 PM
Quote from: batt on July 31, 2016, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on July 31, 2016, 06:15:47 PM
anywhere from -60 to 300
hahaha.
I think rucks overscore in SC. Wouldn't mind it being -2 or -3 for a clear sharked hitout. Maybe even -4 if it directly leads to a clearance.
They were over scoring a few years ago when they got 1pt for each HO, thats why they changed the scoring
Now its 5 for a HOTA, 0 for and ineffective HO and -1 for a sharked HO
I think the current scoring better than previously however not a huge fan.
I'd like to see it 3-4 for HOTA 1 for ineffective (as in to a contest 1v1) and 0 for hit outs directly to an opposition player as it's barely a clanger..
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I think it's when it's tapped to a player who can then effectively dispose of the ball.
So if Goldy taps it to Swallow who is immediately nailed in a tackle then it's not counted as a HOTA
Quote from: Gigantor on August 01, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I think it's when it's tapped to a player who can then effectively dispose of the ball.
So if Goldy taps it to Swallow who is immediately nailed in a tackle then it's not counted as a HOTA
I know thats why im complaining. Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps then gets tackled 0 points. Goldy taps its to jack Steven takes a few steps and its -1.
Also its abit rough as if it Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps breaks a tackle and then kicks it into the 50 that would be +5 right?
so this is why i say Gawn isnt that good its just the guys he hits it to our.
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I remember many people saying the exact opposite last year when Goldstein was going bananas ;)
Remember the "scoring system" isn't made up the way the DT one is, it's meant to reflect the impact a player has on a game. So the recent change to how hit outs were awarded was because CD figured that it was a more accurate representation of ruckman influence.
Quote from: PowerBug on August 02, 2016, 02:03:40 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I remember many people saying the exact opposite last year when Goldstein was going bananas ;)
Remember the "scoring system" isn't made up the way the DT one is, it's meant to reflect the impact a player has on a game. So the recent change to how hit outs were awarded was because CD figured that it was a more accurate representation of ruckman influence.
i think they are also due to how good the players around them are thats why gawn has gone so good, Melbournes extractors are better then Norths.
As i said hit it straight to a guy he breaks a tackle makes a clerance you get +5.
You hit it straight to a guy he miss steps, doesnt break a tackle and its +0
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on August 01, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I think it's when it's tapped to a player who can then effectively dispose of the ball.
So if Goldy taps it to Swallow who is immediately nailed in a tackle then it's not counted as a HOTA
I know thats why im complaining. Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps then gets tackled 0 points. Goldy taps its to jack Steven takes a few steps and its -1.
Also its abit rough as if it Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps breaks a tackle and then kicks it into the 50 that would be +5 right?
so this is why i say Gawn isnt that good its just the guys he hits it to our.
Can confirm the bloke was flowering terrible today
What score do you get for 41 hitouts?
Quote from: batt on August 06, 2016, 05:55:31 PM
What score do you get for 41 hitouts?
Hope you had him as VC or C
Quote from: Big Mac on August 06, 2016, 05:52:31 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on August 01, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I think it's when it's tapped to a player who can then effectively dispose of the ball.
So if Goldy taps it to Swallow who is immediately nailed in a tackle then it's not counted as a HOTA
I know thats why im complaining. Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps then gets tackled 0 points. Goldy taps its to jack Steven takes a few steps and its -1.
Also its abit rough as if it Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps breaks a tackle and then kicks it into the 50 that would be +5 right?
so this is why i say Gawn isnt that good its just the guys he hits it to our.
Can confirm the bloke was flowering terrible today
Yeah... Clearly he's no good... #worstcalloftheyear
Yep after cracking it last week didn't loop him this week
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/supercoach-news/max-gawn-dominates-hitouts-to-advantage-the-biggest-supercoach-points-value-for-ruckmen/news-story/e77a6d5b76cdce02ab6b7ed6bdd1f4c8
Interesting article from earlier in the year.
QuoteIf the hitout reaches an intended target, then the hitout is deemed to be to the advantage of a team mate and these are worth five points. If the hitout is sharked and results in an opponent’s possession, then that player is deducted one point.
So does the tap just need to reach their target?
Those articles are bullshower anyway. Watch the live scoring and they only get awarded 5 points when it's a ruck contest inside the 50's. Most of the time they'll get 3 for a HOTA unless they're a CD favourite then they sometimes get 4.
Quote from: meow meow on August 08, 2016, 01:08:37 PM
Those articles are bullshower anyway. Watch the live scoring and they only get awarded 5 points when it's a ruck contest inside the 50's. Most of the time they'll get 3 for a HOTA unless they're a CD favourite then they sometimes get 4.
agree lots of times i see rucks get a +1 in Dt for a hitout do nothing else and then magically Sc goes up +3 or +4 not +5
Quote from: King_Robbo on August 07, 2016, 08:09:40 AM
Quote from: Big Mac on August 06, 2016, 05:52:31 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 02:47:11 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on August 01, 2016, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: Holz on August 01, 2016, 10:30:01 AM
I want to see what a Hit out to advantage actually is. I see soo many time Goldy deliver a ball right to a north player and not get a HTA. But then the exact opposite play happens but it goes to a north opponent and instant -1
I think it's when it's tapped to a player who can then effectively dispose of the ball.
So if Goldy taps it to Swallow who is immediately nailed in a tackle then it's not counted as a HOTA
I know thats why im complaining. Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps then gets tackled 0 points. Goldy taps its to jack Steven takes a few steps and its -1.
Also its abit rough as if it Goldy taps it to swallow takes a few steps breaks a tackle and then kicks it into the 50 that would be +5 right?
so this is why i say Gawn isnt that good its just the guys he hits it to our.
Can confirm the bloke was flowering terrible today
Yeah... Clearly he's no good... #worstcalloftheyear
when did i say he isnt good. I said he's not that good.
he is an elite ruck but i no means to me is he the clear standout ruck.
NN, Goldy are in the elite category and i think grundy will join. But if you look at SC then Gawn is miles ahead of everyone else.
Sauce and deffs Sandi are also elite rucks Holz
As a ruck Grundy ain't that good TBH... As you say will join but still a little way off
I reckon Gawn in front of Goldy in front of NN in terms of overall game
NN best ruck then Gawn then Goldy
Impact on game cannot go past Gawn
As an accumulator (4th mid) probably Grundy then Stef then Goldy
Quote from: _wato on August 08, 2016, 06:28:13 PM
Sauce and deffs Sandi are also elite rucks Holz
As a ruck Grundy ain't that good TBH... As you say will join but still a little way off
I reckon Gawn in front of Goldy in front of NN in terms of overall game
NN best ruck then Gawn then Goldy
Impact on game cannot go past Gawn
As an accumulator (4th mid) probably Grundy then Stef then Goldy
agree on Gawn over Goldy at the moment just because goldy is clearly playing through injury. In saying that Goldy at melbourne would be a beast.
Agree Holz
Reckon Gawn and Goldy easy 115+ avg again next year, won't bother with any of Stef / NN / Sandi as much as it'll tempt me
Quote from: _wato on August 09, 2016, 01:59:52 PM
Agree Holz
Reckon Gawn and Goldy easy 115+ avg again next year, won't bother with any of Stef / NN / Sandi as much as it'll tempt me
Based on this years experience where i went gawn/smartin will be starting gawn/goldy next year unless grundy is extremely well priced. Sure to be plenty look at Ryder for f/r backup next year as well.
Goldy has to be a lock for next year, surely.
At their current average, gawn will be about 650k and goldy 600k right?
1.25 mill is only a bit more than what i payed this year.
Quote from: DaveElNacho on August 10, 2016, 09:07:40 AM
Goldy has to be a lock for next year, surely.
At their current average, gawn will be about 650k and goldy 600k right?
1.25 mill is only a bit more than what i payed this year.
Yeah Goldy/NicNat was 1.25 mil to start this year so I wont have a problem paying that for Gawn/Goldy
If Sandi hadn't played again this year I might have considered him but if he plays the rest of the year he will only get a 10% discount and not be worth the risk.