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Question:
Yay or nay?
Option 1: Yay
votes: 48
Option 2: Nay
votes: 29
:o :-\
Apparently this already large mid/for has bulked up another 6 kgs or so. From what I heard of him last season he has a bit of talent. I have no time for Swan this year I think he's on a downward spiral and will be prepared to back against him. Bont is at an awkward price but just maybe he's worth it and could be a great POD. Not sure at this point whether I have the balls to take him or just perhaps suffering temporary insanity. But would like to hear some opinions from Doggy supporters please ?? :) ;)
::)
The silence is deafening !! Can it mean that he is that good that no-one wants to let the cat out of the bag ?? :-\
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The silence is deafening !! Can it mean that he is that good that no-one wants to let the cat out of the bag ?? :-\
how many Bulldogs supporters do you know or think are on here?
Overrated
Tom MItchell is a better buy btw
;)
Which JB, Bonti or Bulldog supporters ?? ;D
;)
3 prems with Salem, Clark and Hogan ATM KB. Mummy and Nicnat in the ruck so not looking for ruck cover. Steven at M.6 and feeling good. It's easy until they actually get on the park and stuff up our theories. LOL. ;)
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3 prems with Salem, Clark and Hogan ATM KB. Mummy and Nicnat in the ruck so not looking for ruck cover. Steven at M.6 and feeling good. It's easy until they actually get on the park and stuff up our theories. LOL. ;)
Mummy and Nic Nat with no ruck cover?
You mean the same Mummy that is constantly getting injured and Nic Nat who has also had his injury worries?
overrated probably isn't fair on the kid
he's an absolute freak and had a stellar first year, but imo and the opinion of others he didn't deserve the rising star
he won't be a good pick this year
Hi Sabre
This kid has me more exited then any other bulldogs player since C Grant arrived as a 16yo.
But this is SC and he is at an awkward price. I can easily see him going 90+ but can he go 100+ ?
I don't think he will pick up the volume of possessions Macrae is getting.
I will be waiting to see how he performs through the NAB and see how the new coach is going to structure the team up.
he could be a very nice POD.
Hey SB.
Bont is a gun and could average 100... But probably won't and isn't worth the risk.
Agree Tom Mitchell is a better choice.
Leaving out Swan is more than likely going to backfire. Has so much upside.
Don't ever disregard a legend.
Even if swan only gets back to 80% it's still a 100+ average.
Don't get too clever in this game. Uv already got a PoD in Steven just play it safe with swan.
If you go with Buddy/Lids/BJ I can see why you would leave out Swan, but I probably wouldn't go with Bont. I think with what looks like a plethora of capable rookie priced forwards it might be worth going 3 premiums, stacking down the bottom end. You could use the cash elsewhere.
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My 3 forward prems are Deledio, Martin and Bennell. I'll have a good look at Swan during the NAB, still don't trust him but will decide later. Want Gray and Buddy and one other. Was tentatively eyeing Ryder as a forward and ruck back up. Shouldn't need one at seasons start but toying with different options. Wish Lycett wads a bit cheaper. :(
Worst player in the AFL.
;)
Hi personcat, are you referring to Swan, who I think is on the way out, or Bont who is probably 1 or 2 years away from possible prem ?? ;)
People seriously think he's overrated? ??? The kid had a great first year and looks set to become a star.
Wouldn't go near him sc yet though
Quote from: quinny88 on January 11, 2015, 09:40:14 PM
People seriously think he's overrated? ??? The kid had a great first year and looks set to become a star.
Wouldn't go near him sc yet though
I agree with this.
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People seriously think he's overrated? ??? The kid had a great first year and looks set to become a star.
Wouldn't go near him sc yet though
I agree with this.
He is good but if your backing against swan you will need to find a hidden superstar just to break even.
:)
Have changed again Holz. Currently have :- Gray, Deledio, Ryder, Bennell, Swan, M Clark // J Hogan, A Saad. Have gone strong in the forward, ruck and midfield and pretty weak in defence. Going heavy where I think the points are and have no interest in having a balanced team but rather one that spits points out. The more mids the better. Cheers. ;)
I believe with guys like Gray, Lids, Franklin, Goddard, Martin, Swan and even players like Bennell and Ziebell I don't see the point in picking guys that 'could' go big In the forward line as they will probably not be as good as them anyways so really you are wasting a trade.
This is why I haven't (and wont) look at Bont this year.
He is going to be a gun but give him a few more years.
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NFI! you prob would have said the same about Fyfe after his first yr. Even if he avgs 10 less than fyfe in his 2nd yr then he will being doing a dam good job for those who pick him. These are the types of inspired picks that get you close.
everything is upside with Bont
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Worst player in the AFL and underrated? We're not talking about Zac Dawson, meow!
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No offence Nigel, but the people who know what's what have spoken.
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Who will be better value dollar to point ratio MM, Bont or McCrae ?? ?? ???
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No offence Nigel, but the people who know what's what have spoken.
Clarko sent me a msg and said lock in Matt Spangher as your perma captain for the year.
Bontempelli easily. Macrae will most likely go backwards this year, Bont could do anything. Don't listen to these fools who think he only had one fluke kick for the year, he is a gun.
;)
Thanks MM ;)
Quote from: meow meow on January 12, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
Bontempelli easily. Macrae will most likely go backwards this year, Bont could do anything. Don't listen to these fools who think he only had one fluke kick for the year, he is a gun.
I was one of the people who said he was over-rated, and I stand by that BUT I just think he was over-rated based on a few highlight moments, but don't get me wrong, he will be a superstar for sure, but I wouldn't pick him this year
The dude took 5 games (one sub) to find his feet at AFL level and from then on he averaged 93.5. He wins enough contested possessions, he is a goal kicker, he has a long left boot and his rebound/inside 50's are already high. He even gets 3rd man up hit outs, so he'll be getting +5 instead of +1 for those since they're usually effective.
Don't pick him, just as you didn't pick Macrae this year! He'll make what Macrae did look like 2nd year blues in comparison.
Quote from: meow meow on January 12, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
The dude took 5 games (one sub) to find his feet at AFL level and from then on he averaged 93.5. He wins enough contested possessions, he is a goal kicker, he has a long left boot and his rebound/inside 50's are already high. He even gets 3rd man up hit outs, so he'll be getting +5 instead of +1 for those since they're usually effective.
Don't pick him, just as you didn't pick Macrae this year! He'll make what Macrae did look like 2nd year blues in comparison.
Think you're clutching a little if you think he will average the 100+ that Macrae did.
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Quote from: meow meow on January 12, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
The dude took 5 games (one sub) to find his feet at AFL level and from then on he averaged 93.5. He wins enough contested possessions, he is a goal kicker, he has a long left boot and his rebound/inside 50's are already high. He even gets 3rd man up hit outs, so he'll be getting +5 instead of +1 for those since they're usually effective.
Don't pick him, just as you didn't pick Macrae this year! He'll make what Macrae did look like 2nd year blues in comparison.
Think you're clutching a little if you think he will average the 100+ that Macrae did.
Macrae is a midfielder, Bont is a forward. If i wasnt against midpricers I would have bont in my squad right now.
I think meow is saying bont will go closer to being a super premo forward than macrae was a super premo mid.
Nah, I'm saying Macrae averaged 100, Bont will be closer to 200. He'll probably be the best player in the league and should win the brownlow but he'll most likely be robbed of that.
Quote from: meow meow on January 13, 2015, 01:09:44 PM
Nah, I'm saying Macrae averaged 100, Bont will be closer to 200. He'll probably be the best player in the league and should win the brownlow but he'll most likely be robbed of that.
Hahahaha
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Hi again double "M". One more small question. Am deciding, pre NAB, on my F.5 position. It's out of Bont, who I like, and Swan, who is going in to the season with another interrupted pre-season. Guess I'm the only one on this site who thinks that Swan is a bit suss but have decided to risk not having him unless he shows something in the NAB. Which way would you honestly go ?? My proposed starting forward line is:-
Gray, Deledio, Ryder, Bennell, Bont, M Clark // J Hogan, C Salem Ryder is there coz of the R/D factor and in a perfect world would either be one of the top 6 forwards or the R/F reserve. Bennell scored a 196 in his 1st season and I think this may be his real breakout season and all the rest are pretty standard. So which way double "M" and anyone else, serious about a Swan decline. Cheers. :) ;)
Don't ask me man, all I do is talk shower!
Haha seriously though, Swan over Bont every day of the week. Ditch Bennell, he's too injury prone. Not sure if Paddy can score so well in a ruck duo. Maybe go with a Swan and Bellchambers combo and use the extra money to turn Bennell into Goddard, Buddy or Boomer.
Gray, Lids, Goddard, Swan, Belly, Clark if you're going with that kind of structure. Safe and boring but effective.
:)
Thanks "MM" Have Swanned the Bont. But keeping Bennell to see if he plays NAB. Ryder is a very, very strong gut hunch (plus he'll be suited by the positive tap out to advantage points) so will keep him ATM. Still have the cash to get any other fwd. Cheers personcat. ;)
Quote from: Money Shot on January 12, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
I believe with guys like Gray, Lids, Franklin, Goddard, Martin, Swan and even players like Bennell and Ziebell I don't see the point in picking guys that 'could' go big In the forward line as they will probably not be as good as them anyways so really you are wasting a trade.
This is why I haven't (and wont) look at Bont this year.
He is going to be a gun but give him a few more years.
well said MS
So after reading all these comments....
...I still can't get my head around a Mummy NicNat combo with NO COVER! That's without a doubt the most injury-prone premium ruck pair their is.
Oh, and Titchell for a mid-priced forward.
;)
Swapped Mummy for Goldy and a lot of my team around. The final result is in Rate my SC Team. And then changed everything again. Cheers.
Any interest now that Libba is done for the year?
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Any interest now that Libba is done for the year?
No
I really like him, but I cant find room for him. He's currently fighting with titch for a spot in my team.
;)
Has he been in your team MM ?? ;)
Anybody else have the pleasure of watching Marcus Bontempelli play last night.
What a star this kid is going to be. Convinced me to put him into my team and expect him to avg 100+ and not suprised if makes 110+ for season.
Runs, taller than Pendles and takes a strong mark. Contested beast, tackles well. Just a very impressive footballer.
Will probably get tagged but dont think it will stop this bloke as he goes and gets his ball as well.
For me it came down to the fat lazy old pig counting his money and young hungry doggie looking for a junk yard.
Nah
3 words
Second year blues
Big yes for me, I needed a forward for under $450k and I had Tex Walker but the Bont was always in the back of my mind, last night locked him in for me.
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3 words
Second year blues
You and JR have the runs on the board and need to be respected. Plenty of evidence to support 2YB's but the beauty of SC is each to his own.
Pretty standard team for me on most lines and Bont will be my POD in the forwards. Most likely scenario he may cost me 10 points a game compared to Swan. At worst possibly 20 if Swan gets back to form and bont doesnt stand up.
I actually see it the other way around. Will gain 20 points over those with Swan.
Appreciate the feedback and reality check.
I'm picking him. He's a gun and i love watching him play. If he flops rd1 and 2 ill consider flicking him for Swan or other @ that price range but Swan looks disinterested imo...
Disclaimer: im a dogs supporter
Lets jump from player to player every week after nab matches! Were you considering him after he scored 62 last week? Or just on the back of one match against a team that looks to be one of the worst in the league?
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Lets jump from player to player every week after nab matches! Were you considering him after he scored 62 last week? Or just on the back of one match against a team that looks to be one of the worst in the league?
Meow has spoken. Meow is correct.
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Lets jump from player to player every week after nab matches! Were you considering him after he scored 62 last week? Or just on the back of one match against a team that looks to be one of the worst in the league?
Fair points. However Avg 80 last year, is bigger, stronger and capable of continued improvement. Will probably have more ups and downs than an established player and that is what I am betting against really. As far as my team, I have had Swan in for a long time except one occassion when I considered Tmitch. problem is tmitch is not guaranteed a spot and if he plays regularly will not be through middle.
Bont probably has more strengths than Tmitch and looks a better option. I decided on Gray as Fwd Premo who is reliable and therefore needed to look at options.
As you said Collingwood looked ordinary and fwd line is a mess. Swan is not the answer for them. If not fit enough to run through middle (and looks that way) then will be limited to a 80-90 player.
Bont offers reasonable upgrade path or possibility of being keeper.
Look it only takes two moves
BONT
BOAT
GOAT
;D
Guys, you have made your point. The season will tell me if I am wrong. Thats the risk I am willing to take.
If you really want to help how about critiquing my team.
you are all experienced coaches with a lot to offer and I would appreciate the feedback,
No think he only played 16 games last year with some good scores but some really bad ones as well expect that to continue this year to early in his career to put in my team
If anything, he should only be on your watchlist. 1 good game doesn't make him an auto in.
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Think you are all being a bit harsh not overrated just a bit young at this stage in his career
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3 words
Second year blues
no such thing if good enough
i had macrae last year and year was never in doubt
I say follow your gut feeling, I'm taking a punt on this fellow, future gun. Marked him in the little book last year. No worries ;)
I would love to have The Bont running through my team scoring me massive points.
I'm nervous though - worried about the effect Clay Smith and Shane Biggs will have when they return to the team (I'm sure you all remember Clay Smiths form pre-injury and Biggs is hyped) and also the idea of the tag.
I need someone in this price range for my Ablett upgrade - make a bit of coin, score well until Ablett hits form. Not sure whether to take The Bont or perhaps Langford or Neale as my Ablett upgrade. Can't get a true premium because I wouldn't be able to part with them - the idea of trading a premium sends shivers up my spine.
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After running rings around Pendles and picking up a lazy 15 possessions in the first quarter what happened .......
Levi Greenwood was sent straight to him after quarter time. He quelled his influence, although The Bont dragged him down forward and easily out marked him to goal.
if he wasn't already, he is now not only on every Supercoachers radar he is on every opposition coaches radar
He will attract plenty of attention this year which will stop him from being the supercoach beast he will eventually become. It will probably stop him from winning Charlie as well.
I estimate that the attention he will get will restrict him to a 105 to 110 average.
;D :D ;D :D
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After running rings around Pendles and picking up a lazy 15 possessions in the first quarter what happened .......
Levi Greenwood was sent straight to him after quarter time. He quelled his influence, although The Bont dragged him down forward and easily out marked him to goal.
if he wasn't already, he is now not only on every Supercoachers radar he is on every opposition coaches radar
He will attract plenty of attention this year which will stop him from being the supercoach beast he will eventually become. It will probably stop him from winning Charlie as well.
I estimate that the attention he will get will restrict him to a 105 to 110 average.
;D :D ;D :D
Hahaha it's alright to be one eyed and wrong :P
wrong ? what was wrong with that
he did pick up 15 in qtr 1 leaving Pendles in his wake
Levi did go to him
he will get tagged
seems right to me ;)
He wasn't on Pendles. Greenwood was playing head to head, then Bucks told him to clamp down on him instead of trying to win his own ball.
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Haha.
But reckon this guy has no limit- he will be a super-gun.
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wrong ? what was wrong with that
he did pick up 15 in qtr 1 leaving Pendles in his wake
Levi did go to him
he will get tagged
seems right to me ;)
He's a baby and looks like he will turn into a gun in time but 105 - 110 this year ::)
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Haha.
But reckon this guy has no limit- he will be a super-gun.
(But not this year)
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He wasn't on Pendles. Greenwood was playing head to head, then Bucks told him to clamp down on him instead of trying to win his own ball.
ok, fair enough
point was he is going to get lots of attention even more so after that game.
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wrong ? what was wrong with that
he did pick up 15 in qtr 1 leaving Pendles in his wake
Levi did go to him
he will get tagged
seems right to me ;)
He's a baby and looks like he will turn into a gun in time but 105 - 110 this year ::)
cant see why not. thought I was being conservative :o
if he can shrug the tag he will be up with GAJ ;)
He will no doubt be a gun at some point.
Just a little skeptical about picking 2 year players.
Brings me back to zorko
he'll kill it again this year, i seriously can see him going 90+
but with all the fwds that can go 100+ (gray/dusty/bartel/swanny/BJ) that you can start with i dunno if many people would start with him.
::)
Let's pose the question of Bont a little differently ? At $422,300 max to spend on one position in either your midfield or forward line , who are you going for if not " The Bont " ?? This selection to be based purely on point scoring that you would envisage winning you 50k in SC ?? :-\ PS I don't have him ATM. Apart from 1 midpricer in defence I've gone all prem / rookie or rookie priced, trying to manoeuvre in to Holz's slipstream. ;)
Do you get SuperCoach points for being involved in epic commentary?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkHYSemFPIo
I would pick Bontempelli if he could replicate that. As it is, I'm happy to pick others and get him if it turns out he's going to be a top fwd. Not worth the risk to start him for mine.
It's either the Bont or T Mitchell..I know you can't read too much into nab games, but he's in good form and a good POD up fwd. He's F4 in my side and I already have Swan.
What do you guys think
This guy has been in and out of him side more than anyone else this year. Really want him in there but worried about his ability to handle the Tag and second year blues
Should get more midfield time after Libbas injury. Averaged 94 in the NAB Cup
I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
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I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
Im doing the same...
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I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
Im doing the same...
Me too. Will be a massive advantage if Swanny doesn't got 100+
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I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
Im doing the same...
Me too. Will be a massive advantage if Swanny doesn't got 100+
Ditto.
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I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
Im doing the same...
Me too. Will be a massive advantage if Swanny doesn't got 100+
Ditto.
Me too
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I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
Im doing the same...
Me too. Will be a massive advantage if Swanny doesn't got 100+
Ditto.
Me too
Well hopefully us 5 will be smiling soon :D
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I'm rolling the dice on him over Swannie (Big call I know) but I think this kid is a big midfield who is going to be very hard to tag.
Especially if he has put on 5kg over the summer as reported.
Im doing the same...
Me too. Will be a massive advantage if Swanny doesn't got 100+
Ditto.
Me too
Well hopefully us 5 will be smiling soon :D
Top 5 at the end of the year anyone?
Fools!
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Fools!
Can't believe this. Choosing a second year player who averaged 78 or so compared to a gun with 7 years of 100 and 4 of 120+. Silly
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Fools!
Can't believe this. Choosing a second year player who averaged 78 or so compared to a gun with 7 years of 100 and 4 of 120+. Silly
Risk v reward. Nothing ventured nothing gained (I hope)
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Fools!
Can't believe this. Choosing a second year player who averaged 78 or so compared to a gun with 7 years of 100 and 4 of 120+. Silly
Risk v reward. Nothing ventured nothing gained (I hope)
All in or nothing...
go bont
Im happy so far 8)
Lost 15 points on him with Nic NAT but the cash and ruck security with Belly makes up for it. Again, I see Bont having a fair few 70 weeks. Did well today though.
Quote from: Doggoneit on March 22, 2015, 06:51:04 PM
He will attract plenty of attention this year which will stop him from being the supercoach beast he will eventually become. It will probably stop him from winning Charlie as well.
I estimate that the attention he will get will restrict him to a 105 to 110 average.
;D :D ;D :D
I have to admit I got this wrong
I thought it would take a few games, 1 at least, especially being schooled by someone as good as Scooter.
But no, I have severely underestimated the Bont - it only took one quarter for him to shake the tag
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Fools!
Can't believe this. Choosing a second year player who averaged 78 or so compared to a gun with 7 years of 100 and 4 of 120+. Silly
Risk v reward. Nothing ventured nothing gained (I hope)
All in or nothing...
go bont
History says likely to have some down spells. will need to learn to manage tag as well. but super impressive footballer. I would be very happy to get 100pt average for 420K. Can trade him up for 550K for prem around byes. Still has possible upside to 110k avg and keep. Come byes where will cotchin, lids and dusty be? if you had to pick one to be at 110k who would it be? Not guaranteed better than bont and save 100-120K
What are peoples thoughts? Name was mentioned sporadically during NAB. I traded him in last minute for Swanny :-X
The kid scored 124 in a game where he had 22 disposals (of which im sure half were handballs) and was worn like a flowering glove by Scott Selwood. And if im not mistaken it was his first time he'd ever received a tag in a game? Keeping in mind he was 6 pts at quarter time, so he scored 118 in 3 quarters...
Bonti drew comparisons to Pendles before he was drafted, but im pretty sure even Pendles was still chasing his tail around like any other young kid playing AFL with 14 games under his belt. The way Bonti not only shook the tag but turned the game back in our favour numerous times last night was unbelievable. His composure in traffic... there'd be 200 gamers who would envy his ability to duck, weave and spin out of trouble and hit a target under extreme pressure.
The kid is a flowering jet. IMO lock him in and throw away the key. I only pray that he stays loyal to the doggies and we dont lose him... The young pups are starting to show some genuine promise!!
Absolute jet, cant disagree with that. Only thing you'd have to consider is can he keep it up for 22 games?
With the plethora of genuine fwd premos this year Im not sure he is worth the risk, but can completely understand choosing him
If he backs it up, might stick him in the guts on the bubble.
Should pick Lewis Taylor instead.
Quote from: meow meow on April 05, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Should pick Lewis Taylor instead.
meow, whats your problem with bont? you sure your a doggies supporter
Quote from: crowls on April 05, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
meow, whats your problem with bont? you sure your a doggies supporter
I figured it was sarcasm considering he didn't win the rising star award and Taylor did
I'll put my hand up and admit I never considered picking this guy, but watched him last week and now today and the kid just oozes class
At 400k I'd love to get him in my team this week, but just don't think I can :'(
Kudos to those who started him
Anyone else thinking about bringing in him or is this just a flash in the pan to slow down midway though like Dahlhaus last year?
Was going to trade Cripps > Van Berlo and Lamb > McGrath last night but didn't.
Might have to trade out Goodes > Oxley and/or Wells > Bontempelli.
Gah four doesn't go into two :(
Brought him in today for Lids...very pleased I did. ;D
Bont will be in my team before the price change, the cash he will make is more important. :)
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 11, 2015, 04:16:49 PM
Bont will be in my team before the price change, the cash he will make is more important. :)
The cash he makes is irrelevant
You'd bring him in expecting him to be a keeper
He was my VC this week. Definitely thinking of him as a keeper and I have faith in his scoring ability.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 11, 2015, 04:16:49 PM
Bont will be in my team before the price change, the cash he will make is more important. :)
Think I made a mistake going with Wallis over the Bont. Not un happy with Wallis, but think Cripps to Bont next round is looking very likely.
Had the VC on the Bont this weekend. I'll be loopholing him :)
Watched him in the NAB and was just a pleasure to see him move through traffic and his tackling. Sort of player we go to games for.
Remeber Meow Meow and others telling me I was wrong. Early days but geez I love watching him play and I expect him to have a Pendles or better career.
helps that Beveridge has changed the dogs attitude and style of play as well.
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 11, 2015, 04:16:49 PM
Bont will be in my team before the price change, the cash he will make is more important. :)
Last year I concluded a trade was worth about $150,000.
Can't remember why or how I deduced that, but I did.
Reckon he's worth grabbing especially if you have a mid pricer you're not happy with.
;)
After reading the doubts most Doggy fans had about him prior to Rd.1 I started him and have no regrets. Cheers all. ;)
He's crap! Overrated. Shouldn't have won the rising star. Worst player in the AFL.
Quote from: meow meow on April 11, 2015, 05:21:03 PM
He's crap! Overrated. Shouldn't have won the rising star. Worst player in the AFL.
he didn't win the rising star
Still not sure if he is worth trading in, he could be a breakout player and go the 110+ this season but I can see him falling off late season. As I am going for league win I am going to wait until mid season before I will know if he will be in my final 8 midfielders. Van Berlo on the other hand is a guy I think must be had. I'll likely trade out cripps if he isn't named next week.
Loving the Bonts. Took a punt and brought him in for Swan last minute last week so happy with the way he's goin about things. Swanny scoring ok but would be a bit worried where he's playin. Bont looks smooth as silk.
Quote from: Sabretooth Tigers on April 11, 2015, 05:07:12 PM
;)
After reading the doubts most Doggy fans had about him prior to Rd.1 I started him and have no regrets. Cheers all. ;)
Me too
Not being smart, but the Bulldogs have played two showere sides. He won't have that freedom against good sides.
Bont also quickly pushing to be first in line for a tag now I reckon.
Quote from: DoctorRush on April 11, 2015, 10:43:56 PM
Not being smart, but the Bulldogs have played two showere sides. He won't have that freedom against good sides.
Bont also quickly pushing to be first in line for a tag now I reckon.
Hope so.. it's the only thing stopping me from quitting after having him all preseason and then dropping him!
I wish I was able to start with the bont,
Martin, Gray and Swan are all doing fine though
Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 11, 2015, 11:04:40 PM
I wish I was able to start with the bont,
Martin, Gray and Swan are all doing fine though
Those are the same three I've started with.
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Quote from: Samsturmfels on April 11, 2015, 11:04:40 PM
I wish I was able to start with the bont,
Martin, Gray and Swan are all doing fine though
as well with me..
the temptation of gaz to jpk/sloane/lewis and bellchambers to bont is proven almost impossible to ignore
Those are the same three I've started with.
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I wish I was able to start with the bont,
Martin, Gray and Swan are all doing fine though
Those are the same three I've started with.
Started Gray Swan Bartel and Bont.
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Not being smart, but the Bulldogs have played two showere sides. He won't have that freedom against good sides.
Bont also quickly pushing to be first in line for a tag now I reckon.
Hope so.. it's the only thing stopping me from quitting after having him all preseason and then dropping him!
Lets see - WCE finished 9th last year, Richmond finished 8th last year
if they are shower then the Dogs only play 7 sides better than them, only one of them twice - that leaves another 12 games where they will play a shower team
I think your logic is flawed !!
;)
Quote from: doogz on April 11, 2015, 06:25:15 PM
Still not sure if he is worth trading in, he could be a breakout player and go the 110+ this season but I can see him falling off late season. As I am going for league win I am going to wait until mid season before I will know if he will be in my final 8 midfielders. Van Berlo on the other hand is a guy I think must be had. I'll likely trade out cripps if he isn't named next week.
I can see him falling the week I get him in. Hawks this week. Will probably pull a 50. But I'm still getting him I think.
Dogs play shower teams more often than good teams. Even if he scores a few 60-70s, the 100s make up for it. Hes a fwd too. A 100 avg is pretty decent. Id say he'll go close to that.
Dogs play Hawthorn, Adelaide, Sydney, Saints & Freo over the next five weeks, that's one 'easy' game coming up. I think I'll wait to see how he goes against the best before diving in. Great player but still only second year.
Quote from: Bully on April 12, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
Dogs play Hawthorn, Adelaide, Sydney, Saints & Freo over the next five weeks, that's one 'easy' game coming up. I think I'll wait to see how he goes against the best before diving in. Great player but still only second year.
Spot on
Surely he cant keep pumping out 120+ scores every week.
Cant get sucked into chasing previous scores. Watching him play he clearly looks like he can average 100+, but there's plenty of time to get him. If you started him, then great, and as much as I would love to have him in my side, at this early stage of the season there are more important things to focus on
Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 12, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Who hard tagged him? WCE don't have any hard taggers and nor do Richmond
Everyone has an opponent - there's a difference between having your opponent run with you and being tagged
I haven't seen Bont tagged
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Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 12, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Who hard tagged him? WCE don't have any hard taggers and nor do Richmond
Everyone has an opponent - there's a difference between having your opponent run with you and being tagged
I haven't seen Bont tagged
Didn't Scotty Selwood go to him last week? I swear he was following him around last week. I'm pretty sure Hunt was on him for a period yesterday, both times they seemed to fade away.
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Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Who hard tagged him? WCE don't have any hard taggers and nor do Richmond
Everyone has an opponent - there's a difference between having your opponent run with you and being tagged
I haven't seen Bont tagged
Didn't Scotty Selwood go to him last week? I swear he was following him around last week. I'm pretty sure Hunt was on him for a period yesterday, both times they seemed to fade away.
With games against top 4 quality sides I would tread with extreme caution, he obviously won't lose money but he may not appreciate in value as much as some are predicting. I really think it's worth just holding fire for the time being, I certainly wouldn't be entertaining an Ablett to Bonts trade as an alternative.
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Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Who hard tagged him? WCE don't have any hard taggers and nor do Richmond
Everyone has an opponent - there's a difference between having your opponent run with you and being tagged
I haven't seen Bont tagged
Didn't Scotty Selwood go to him last week? I swear he was following him around last week. I'm pretty sure Hunt was on him for a period yesterday, both times they seemed to fade away.
With games against top 4 quality sides I would tread with extreme caution, he obviously won't lose money but he may not appreciate in value as much as some are predicting. I really think it's worth just holding fire for the time being, I certainly wouldn't be entertaining an Ablett to Bonts trade as an alternative.
I considered a Ablett to bont trade but nah not going to do it. Not sure whether I will even trade gaz
Maybe gaz to dangerfield
Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 12, 2015, 10:26:01 AM
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Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 12, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Who hard tagged him? WCE don't have any hard taggers and nor do Richmond
Everyone has an opponent - there's a difference between having your opponent run with you and being tagged
I haven't seen Bont tagged
Didn't Scotty Selwood go to him last week? I swear he was following him around last week. I'm pretty sure Hunt was on him for a period yesterday, both times they seemed to fade away.
I thought bont was going head to head with Martin for the first half?
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Quote from: Torpedo10 on April 12, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
Bont dealt with two hard tags with no issues, I think he's a must now. The question is, how to get him in?
Who hard tagged him? WCE don't have any hard taggers and nor do Richmond
Everyone has an opponent - there's a difference between having your opponent run with you and being tagged
I haven't seen Bont tagged
RD... scooter wore bont like a glove. He only had 22ish touches but did what good players do and racked up something like 11 tackles and went forward and kicked a goal or two.
Get the Bont in now!
Any1 watch his first 2 games. Please provide an insight.
Most likely will be the no1 transferred player this week. Im just concerned about whether he will be top 5-6 FWDS at year end. Also can he cop a tag, has he been tagged or watched closely!
He's a similar situation to Swallow last year. Similar awkward price and similar scores in the first 2 rounds. I had doubts that Swallow could keep it up so I didn't bring him in on the bubble but he continued to score well and I eventually traded him in at some stage and paid slight overs for him. Think I might take the same approach with the Bont despite how tempting he is. The tough upcoming draw is a slight concern, I'm sure the Hawks will be looking to bounce back with some venom down in Tassie. It's a long season and priority 1 at the moment has to be cash generation for the future upgrades so I'll let him slide for now unless teams on Thursday decide for me otherwise.
Sorry but after watching gaj resting up forward and scared to go in and use his hands he's gota go.
And watching the machine that is Bont he is the most important player to bring in. Glad i started Wallis in the mids too.
Their draw plays more shiity teams that top teams so nice scores will come more often.
Traded Gaz - swapped Gray to Mids - Brought in Bont fwd.
Traded Miller upto NVB
$250K left over.
Cyaaaaaa 8)
If Bont gets tagged he is a tackle machine anyhow. I had the cash to go from Cocky to Bont, no brainer. The kid's a freak.
Quote from: Perthwildcat on April 13, 2015, 12:04:29 PM
If Bont gets tagged he is a tackle machine anyhow. I had the cash to go from Cocky to Bont, no brainer. The kid's a freak.
Nice upgrade
I'm also considering the Ablett > Bont trade, flicking Gray into the midfield for the time being.
I'm drawing a lot of comparisons to Fyfe's second year.
Both around 190cm midfielders.
Both played 16 games in their first season and averaged in the 70's.
I know it's not as simple as that, but he has looked awesome from his first 2 games. I think he's every chance to be a keeper in the forward line.
Yup pretty much.
I've got Gray, Bartel, Dusty & Swan and do not want to trade any of them.
So to get Bont in gota move some1 to the mids for now.
Watching the Tigers vs Dogs replay atm. He's an impressive unit indeed!
It's no wonder they let Griffen go, this guy is like a young clone.
Two players who have managed to qualify for premo status in their second year have been Fyfe & Martin, so it's definitely possible with Bonts. Having weighed up the pros and cons I'm tempted to bring him in as it frees up cash to bring in Smith as well, having Goodes & Brown on the bench is making me slightly nervous.
Quote from: Slashers on April 13, 2015, 04:12:53 PM
Watching the Tigers vs Dogs replay atm. He's an impressive unit indeed!
It's no wonder they let Griffen go, this guy is like a young clone.
Except if it were the Wizard of Oz, Griff would be playing the Tin Man, and Bont would be playing...
Actually Bont would be in another movie giving Chuck Norris the beating of a lifetime!
Bont must be due for a 62....Hawks this week coming off a loss... yep, maybe.
Quote from: petefisker on April 13, 2015, 01:39:06 PM
Yup pretty much.
I've got Gray, Bartel, Dusty & Swan and do not want to trade any of them.
So to get Bont in gota move some1 to the mids for now.
The Bont is a Mid/Fwd. Just play him in the mids.
went full yolo and jumped on last week.
JUST A CASUAL 141 WOOOOOOT
He's not Luke Dahlhaus
I've just gone over some figures with the Bont and something is concerning me with his next few opponents
vs Haw (59)
vs Adel (DNP)
vs Sydney (42)
vs St Kilda (85)
vs Freo (63)
Interestingly, both West Coast & Richmond have never actually played against Bonts so probably gave him too much latitude. The above scores were also wedged in the middle of some hot form where he scored quite a few tons and 90+ scores. This has me concerned.
Great if you started with him, 90+ at 420k and some big price rises coming but don't think he is worth the trade, thought about it, and Youth + Bulldogs can't keep winning + even more credit & attention = not worth the trade in now chasing monster scores imo.
I'm getting cold feet with this one, if Ablett is to be traded I think it must be to a guy who can replicate his scores, Sloane appears to be as safe as houses in that regard. The other aspect of picking up Bont is his 30% ownership, not exactly a POD and a few dud scores could bridge the gap. Maybe it's time to zig while the others zag.
Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 02:06:29 AM
I'm getting cold feet with this one, if Ablett is to be traded I think it must be to a guy who can replicate his scores, Sloane appears to be as safe as houses in that regard. The other aspect of picking up Bont is his 30% ownership, not exactly a POD and a few dud scores could bridge the gap. Maybe it's time to zig while the others zag.
I fell that Bont can be a Fwd keeper. I don't want 30% of teams getting a jump on me - I'm on now. Using Ablett as the trade also allows me to upgrade KK to Smith next week - gaining another keeper. This game is all about risk vs reward - I think it's worth the risk. Goodes and Ablett out this week, Bont and Van Berlo in.
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Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 02:06:29 AM
I'm getting cold feet with this one, if Ablett is to be traded I think it must be to a guy who can replicate his scores, Sloane appears to be as safe as houses in that regard. The other aspect of picking up Bont is his 30% ownership, not exactly a POD and a few dud scores could bridge the gap. Maybe it's time to zig while the others zag.
I fell that Bont can be a Fwd keeper. I don't want 30% of teams getting a jump on me - I'm on now. Using Ablett as the trade also allows me to upgrade KK to Smith next week - gaining another keeper. This game is all about risk vs reward - I think it's worth the risk. Goodes and Ablett out this week, Bont and Van Berlo in.
I'm just worried about the next 5 weeks, can he produce anything close to what he's done in the first two weeks? I think Bont's range will be 95-105 this year, I just don't want to jump on during a quiet patch. Interesting that the other young guns have all fallen in that range in their second year, Bennell at the lower end, Martin in the middle and Fyfe at the top end. Big decision coming up, haven't yet decided.
Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 12:41:05 AM
I've just gone over some figures with the Bont and something is concerning me with his next few opponents
vs Haw (59)
vs Adel (DNP)
vs Sydney (42)
vs St Kilda (85)
vs Freo (63)
Interestingly, both West Coast & Richmond have never actually played against Bonts so probably gave him too much latitude. The above scores were also wedged in the middle of some hot form where he scored quite a few tons and 90+ scores. This has me concerned.
He's put 8kg on and has another preseason under his belt. He's played these teams once, and he was playing forward last year, he's on the pill now. You're suggesting that all of the above teams are bogey teams for him? Come on mate...
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Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 12:41:05 AM
I've just gone over some figures with the Bont and something is concerning me with his next few opponents
vs Haw (59)
vs Adel (DNP)
vs Sydney (42)
vs St Kilda (85)
vs Freo (63)
Interestingly, both West Coast & Richmond have never actually played against Bonts so probably gave him too much latitude. The above scores were also wedged in the middle of some hot form where he scored quite a few tons and 90+ scores. This has me concerned.
He's put 8kg on and has another preseason under his belt. He's played these teams once. You're suggesting that all of the above teams are bogey teams for him? Come on mate...
I'm not suggesting they are bogey teams but I am suggesting there will be a drop off in points, the Doggies could lose 4 out of 5 and I don't expect Bont to be given anywhere near the same latitude as the first two rounds.
I'm not suggesting they are bogey teams but I am suggesting there will be a drop off in points, the Doggies could lose 4 out of 5 and I don't expect Bont to be given anywhere near the same latitude as the first two rounds.
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Even if he averages 90-100 over those 5 games, getting a few less disposals and tackles, you'd take that from a $422k 2nd year player.
Quote from: Hoggyz_a_legend on April 14, 2015, 10:17:20 AM
I'm not suggesting they are bogey teams but I am suggesting there will be a drop off in points, the Doggies could lose 4 out of 5 and I don't expect Bont to be given anywhere near the same latitude as the first two rounds.
Even if he averages 90-100 over those 5 games, getting a few less disposals and tackles, you'd take that from a $422k 2nd year player.
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I would be happy with that, yes, but I'm concerned he will throw up a couple of 60's & 70's over the next few weeks.
It's a bit tough bringing up his scores last year since this year it seems he's having a 'breakout'.
The thing that does it for me is the ownership percentage, almost 40%! Wow. It's worth jumping on just to be part of the pack if he does manage to maintain a healthy average.
Is it worth going Lamb-> Bonts? We all thought Lamb would have great JS and a good role with Darling out for 6-8 weeks, but he got the Green Vest, played well once he came on, and got dropped. Stiff Imo, which to me means his JS is pretty average.
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Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 12:41:05 AM
I've just gone over some figures with the Bont and something is concerning me with his next few opponents
vs Haw (59)
vs Adel (DNP)
vs Sydney (42)
vs St Kilda (85)
vs Freo (63)
Interestingly, both West Coast & Richmond have never actually played against Bonts so probably gave him too much latitude. The above scores were also wedged in the middle of some hot form where he scored quite a few tons and 90+ scores. This has me concerned.
He's put 8kg on and has another preseason under his belt. He's played these teams once. You're suggesting that all of the above teams are bogey teams for him? Come on mate...
I'm not suggesting they are bogey teams but I am suggesting there will be a drop off in points, the Doggies could lose 4 out of 5 and I don't expect Bont to be given anywhere near the same latitude as the first two rounds.
You're stating the bleeding obvious of course hes not going to average 135 for the season. And if you're going off that theory why not just fill your team full of freo/sydney/hawthorn players. Of course we're gonna have a heap of losses this year. Didn't stop Libba averaging 180 or whatever it was he averaged last year 8) Point is Bont gets his points from his pressure, tackling and high % DE, which you will get wether or not you win or lose games. He doesnt need 35-40 to tonne up like your Boyd, Mitchell, Swan, JPK, Parker need. He is pure class of the Fyfe/Pendlebury breed.
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Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 12:41:05 AM
I've just gone over some figures with the Bont and something is concerning me with his next few opponents
vs Haw (59)
vs Adel (DNP)
vs Sydney (42)
vs St Kilda (85)
vs Freo (63)
Interestingly, both West Coast & Richmond have never actually played against Bonts so probably gave him too much latitude. The above scores were also wedged in the middle of some hot form where he scored quite a few tons and 90+ scores. This has me concerned.
He's put 8kg on and has another preseason under his belt. He's played these teams once. You're suggesting that all of the above teams are bogey teams for him? Come on mate...
I'm not suggesting they are bogey teams but I am suggesting there will be a drop off in points, the Doggies could lose 4 out of 5 and I don't expect Bont to be given anywhere near the same latitude as the first two rounds.
You're stating the bleeding obvious of course hes not going to average 135 for the season. And if you're going off that theory why not just fill your team full of freo/sydney/hawthorn players. Of course we're gonna have a heap of losses this year. Didn't stop Libba averaging 180 or whatever it was he averaged last year 8) Point is Bont gets his points from his pressure, tackling and high % DE, which you will get wether or not you win or lose games. He doesnt need 35-40 to tonne up like your Boyd, Mitchell, Swan, JPK, Parker need. He is pure class of the Fyfe/Pendlebury breed.
I'm glad you mentioned Libba because his form dropped off when Griffen wasn't in the side, this is my point, he will get more attention now that he's strung together two very impressive performances. I still haven't ruled him out but I see him as a boom bust type when it comes to trading out your most expensive asset. This will be one of the most important decisions coaches make this year and it shouldn't be taken lightly.
He is going to have Will Langford hanging all over him this weekend - nothing surer.
Quote from: Doggoneit on April 14, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
He is going to have Will Langford hanging all over him this weekend - nothing surer.
Agreed. Bonts is the best mid at the dogs and surely will cop attention.
Good luck to those who started him but he is not a must have yet.
If he can cop a tag and break it then it is a different story.
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Breaking News :
Bont did not train today - was seen with compression on his calf doing handball drills with Caleb Daniel
Quote from: Doggoneit on April 14, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
Breaking News :
Bont did not train today - was seen with compression on his calf doing handball drills with Caleb Daniel
If that's true and he's a risk, we might see the record broken for reversed trades. I read that he is currently in 40% of teams.
Quote from: Doggoneit on April 14, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
doing handball drills with Caleb Daniel
Must have been handballing along the ground.
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Quote from: Bully on April 14, 2015, 02:06:29 AM
I'm getting cold feet with this one, if Ablett is to be traded I think it must be to a guy who can replicate his scores, Sloane appears to be as safe as houses in that regard. The other aspect of picking up Bont is his 30% ownership, not exactly a POD and a few dud scores could bridge the gap. Maybe it's time to zig while the others zag.
I fell that Bont can be a Fwd keeper. I don't want 30% of teams getting a jump on me - I'm on now. Using Ablett as the trade also allows me to upgrade KK to Smith next week - gaining another keeper. This game is all about risk vs reward - I think it's worth the risk. Goodes and Ablett out this week, Bont and Van Berlo in.
I'm just worried about the next 5 weeks, can he produce anything close to what he's done in the first two weeks? I think Bont's range will be 95-105 this year, I just don't want to jump on during a quiet patch. Interesting that the other young guns have all fallen in that range in their second year, Bennell at the lower end, Martin in the middle and Fyfe at the top end. Big decision coming up, haven't yet decided.
Agree, I chose him as F4 and happy as pie. But I am expecting 95-105 average. First two rounds are just cream. Beleive he will average 95-105 over next 5 weeks. Cant really see him averaging less than 90. For me to downgrade to Bonts (FWD) and upgrade to Smith would be a blessing. Unfortunately not able to do it. So went JPK and NVB will hold off on smith till I get more cash.
Anyone else think the number of people jumping on is an overreaction? Wouldve been great to start with but surely dogs will lose more games than win from here on, Bonts will start getting more attention. My forwards are Gray, Franklin, Swan, Martin. Not worth getting rid of one of those, and dont have Ablett.
Quote from: dmac07 on April 15, 2015, 10:46:52 AM
Anyone else think the number of people jumping on is an overreaction? Wouldve been great to start with but surely dogs will lose more games than win from here on, Bonts will start getting more attention. My forwards are Gray, Franklin, Swan, Martin. Not worth getting rid of one of those, and dont have Ablett.
It's a risk and could easily go pear shaped if he struggles against the top teams, however I would gladly accept anything above 95 from this point on and given he is a forward I think he adds value even at F6. Second year blues maybe a factor but I did some research into some of the child prodigies and it's calmed my nerves a little.
Bennell - 22 games, 97.5 average
Wingard - 22 games, 98.6 average
Martin - 22 games, 98.9 average
Fyfe - 21 games, 108 average
Wines - 22 games, 100 average
I think these numbers are perfectly acceptable for a guy priced at 422k and given Marcus closely resembles Nat Fyfe in the way he approaches the game there may even be significant upside from the 95 base level. There is clearly risk in bringing him in now, especially given he'll be faced with a snarling and fired up Hawthorn but at least they don't have a Creepy Crowley who can put on the python squeeze.
Can he keep going? Im not expecting 130 average obviously but can he maintain a 100-110 average to be a Forward keeper? Top 6 forwards?
I've decided to let him go this week, I think the fact he's not trained is too much of a gamble, will closely monitor him as the season progresses and jump on if he towels up the Hawks & Sydney.
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
I've decided to let him go this week, I think the fact he's not trained is too much of a gamble, will closely monitor him as the season progresses and jump on if he towels up the Hawks & Sydney.
100% agree - decided to let him go
Whats the news on Bonts??
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
I've decided to let him go this week, I think the fact he's not trained is too much of a gamble, will closely monitor him as the season progresses and jump on if he towels up the Hawks & Sydney.
This. Him not training pushed my decision towards JPK, (with NVB). I'll just have to miss out on Smith next week. Looks like Brodie is playing this week also, so that seals the deal I think.
Quote from: Blues Blues Blues on April 16, 2015, 08:54:46 PM
Quote from: Bully on April 16, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
I've decided to let him go this week, I think the fact he's not trained is too much of a gamble, will closely monitor him as the season progresses and jump on if he towels up the Hawks & Sydney.
100% agree - decided to let him go
I can't seem to google any news that supports him not training. What is the source?
Think I might bring Rich in and pocket the 120k.
As others have said, monitor him in the next few weeks as the draw gets harder and bring him in later if his form continues.
Ok, seems official now, could be in doubt.
Would've traded him in for Adams but thought that was too risky as it meant I had to hold onto Gaz for another week.
So if he doesn't play this week I might grab him next week.
I think you have to skip Friday night drinks to win SC. Cant reverse trades now!
Stevo reporting on 7 the 'Boofont' been carrying a tight calf all week. Will fly to tassie but likely to be a late out.....
Hope not
will he play??? everyones thoughts.
If he doesn't this week he'll be a very attractive option next week.
Quote from: Bully on April 17, 2015, 11:32:03 PM
If he doesn't this week he'll be a very attractive option next week.
Yeah kinda hope he doesn't play so I can grab him next week!
would love bonts to be a late out, considering how popular he has become
Hopefully they rule him out early like Hawthorn did with Gibson last week. At least before the Adelaide game starts!
The rumours going around were that Boyd and Bont could be late outs
They have just announced that Boyd is out. No mention of Bont, so perhaps his fine to go
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 18, 2015, 11:58:53 AM
The rumours going around were that Boyd and Bont could be late outs
They have just announced that Boyd is out. No mention of Bont, so perhaps his fine to go
Giving him until the eleventh hour you'd think.
Bont = Riewoldt??
Quote from: Nige on April 18, 2015, 12:00:32 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on April 18, 2015, 11:58:53 AM
The rumours going around were that Boyd and Bont could be late outs
They have just announced that Boyd is out. No mention of Bont, so perhaps his fine to go
Giving him until the eleventh hour you'd think.
What should I do , if I bring the Bont in this week I need to do it before swans play to get him on the ground . . Will be trading him for miller but would have to put Heaney on the bench before his game starts . .
Personally, I don't have him, but would love to see him play against the Hawks cos I'm really interested if he can step up against a great side. At this stage I think he'll look a bit lost, but won't mind if he proves me wrong.
More about seeing him develop as a player rather than SC bias.
Need a replacement for Bartel, not sold on this kid but can't help but thinking the money you save getting him at 420k is worth it over Gray/Buddy/Roughy at higher prices? Need some guidance!
Quote from: TheMoops on April 20, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Need a replacement for Bartel, not sold on this kid but can't help but thinking the money you save getting him at 420k is worth it over Gray/Buddy/Roughy at higher prices? Need some guidance!
Strongly considering exactly this... Wouldn't get Roughy myself, he and Buddy are both roller coasters but I think there's a much better chance of Buddy being a top fwd by the end of the year than Rough... Gray also a good pick but he will drop, I'm thinking at the moment I could likey go Bartel to Bont and maybe Bellcho to Gray with the savings + money in the bank in a couple of weeks...
Quote from: TheMoops on April 20, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Need a replacement for Bartel, not sold on this kid but can't help but thinking the money you save getting him at 420k is worth it over Gray/Buddy/Roughy at higher prices? Need some guidance!
My dilemma too, also considering Lukey Dahl and Zorko due to injuries in their respective midfields. Leaning towards Buddy just because he is a proven commodity on a powerhouse team and will always get good service... Though he can create his own chances as well as anyone can
What about Pav as a real POD? Looks to have rebounded to prime form after a couple of down years with injuries, etc and personally love to watch the dude play.
Is the potential Wallis injury going to effect Bontempellisprice output?
Haven't seen any Doggies games so keen to here from people who have or any doggies fans in 'the know'
Quote from: Woppa15 on April 20, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
Is the potential Wallis injury going to effect Bontempellisprice output?
Haven't seen any Doggies games so keen to here from people who have or any doggies fans in 'the know'
I don't think it will effect his scoring, Bont wins his own ball and has been getting run with players. Worried that he missed this weeks game though, young players always seem to let you down.
After a very poor game yesterday, with his first real hard tag showed his true colours, last week's game was also very ordinary. I'm starting to think his not going to be a fwd keeper & is about to also plummet in cash with his next to BE of 152 & 128.
Based on the above, I'm considering jumping ship & going Bont > Buddy, i know Buddy is having a bad couple of week's, know doubt he will bounce back & is dirt cheap atm.
Thought's?
I'm very worried too
I said a week or two ago that he looked like the 2nd year blues where starting to kick in and he might start to tire as the season goes on
He copped a real hard tag from Vince. he's just a kid, he got spanked. I'm not too worried, I just hope he continues to post 80+ scores. He isn't a problem just yet. Besides, I'm sure a lot of teams have bigger problems than the bont, am I riiight?
Quote from: Jimmykidd on May 25, 2015, 10:20:08 AM
He copped a real hard tag from Vince. he's just a kid, he got spanked. I'm not too worried, I just hope he continues to post 80+ scores. He isn't a problem just yet. Besides, I'm sure a lot of teams have bigger problems than the bont, am I riiight?
Yes, your riiiiiiight.
LUMUMBA!!!
And Bellchambers
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
He wasn't hitting packs hard either trying to break it. Just didn't seem interested.
I wont be dropping him, he should still average 95+ this year.
Vince got Danger a beauty when they played so straight away I looked to see what Danger scored that game. He still managed 74 which is a lot more respectable than 42. I probably shouldn't even be comparing a kid with a 25 year old stallion. I have a feeling Bont might get a rest this week. Either way I'm gonna give him another chance. If his next up effort isn't around the ton I'll most likely trade him then.
He is the type of player who will probs throw in a few tag induced scores, but then score 120+. Risky trading him out with his high ceiling.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
Will be interesting to see if he goes to Gray this week
His score on the weekend was very poor and his last month hasn't been as good as the opening month of the season but I don't think he's been bad enough to warrant any thoughts of trading him.
Quote from: redfield on May 25, 2015, 04:53:56 PM
His score on the weekend was very poor and his last month hasn't been as good as the opening month of the season but I don't think he's been bad enough to warrant any thoughts of trading him.
Was ranked only behind Gray before this week, one bad week shouldn't be reason to ditch him.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
Disagree, if not every week then most weeks. Has to be their first tagged by a fair way?
This is what I was wary of the whole time and why I never jumped on. In saying that, I definitely wouldn't jump off, still throws in plenty of 80s with the odd 120+. Not bad for a forward at all.
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on May 25, 2015, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
Disagree, if not every week then most weeks. Has to be their first tagged by a fair way?
This is what I was wary of the whole time and why I never jumped on. In saying that, I definitely wouldn't jump off, still throws in plenty of 80s with the odd 120+. Not bad for a forward at all.
Agree mate. I stayed away thinking that he couldn't keep it up (that's what she said).
But he kept pumping out tonnes and I was tempted to swallow my pride and grab him - glad I didnt. Having said that, if he drops to low 400's he wouldn't be a bad pickup for an F6/7...
It's funny how one man's treasure is another man's trash. People who own Selwood are thinking of jumping ship whilst people who don't are licking there lips ready to pounce on a bargain and it's the same with Bont. So far I've traded out Newnes and Lownumba with neither burning me yet but with Bont's ceiling I'm gonna hold cause he is very capable of leaving 3rd degree burns
I feel his last 5 weeks in indicative of the type of scoring you should expect from him. An average of 84 in the last 5 weeks with plenty of solid scores and a few where he goes 95+
If you picked him up this is really what you were paying for, he is good but not great. Could go around 90 from here on but I wouldnt be expecting him to score like the real premos in Martin Lids Goddard Gray etc..
Quote from: H1bb3i2d on May 25, 2015, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
Disagree, if not every week then most weeks. Has to be their first tagged by a fair way?
This is what I was wary of the whole time and why I never jumped on. In saying that, I definitely wouldn't jump off, still throws in plenty of 80s with the odd 120+. Not bad for a forward at all.
Not many teams go with a hard tag anymore.
Quote from: Ricochet on May 25, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
He should be fine. Vince has turned into one of the best taggers in the comp when he gets a full shutdown job
Bont won't get tagged every week
Yeah seems a lot easier to turn into a great tagger than a great player overnight.
Quote from: jeesh on May 25, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
It's funny how one man's treasure is another man's trash. People who own Selwood are thinking of jumping ship whilst people who don't are licking there lips ready to pounce on a bargain and it's the same with Bont. So far I've traded out Newnes and Lownumba with neither burning me yet but with Bont's ceiling I'm gonna hold cause he is very capable of leaving 3rd degree burns
Newnes last 3 games have been like 91,87,95 or something like that,kinda burning you....
:)
For all those thinking of trading out The Bont. If not a forward premium wouldn't he make the perfect FOR / MID emergency for the finals ?? I'm keeping him , conditionless and with a strong air of confidence.. Think !! !! ;)
1 bad game in 8 is hardly reason to ditch him, will bounce back I think.
Quote from: Grufflez on May 26, 2015, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: jeesh on May 25, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
It's funny how one man's treasure is another man's trash. People who own Selwood are thinking of jumping ship whilst people who don't are licking there lips ready to pounce on a bargain and it's the same with Bont. So far I've traded out Newnes and Lownumba with neither burning me yet but with Bont's ceiling I'm gonna hold cause he is very capable of leaving 3rd degree burns
Newnes last 3 games have been like 91,87,95 or something like that,kinda burning you....
Yeah I guess he has to some extent but he still hasn't tonned up from 8 games so I'm not really bothered
I think he's gotta go this week, massive break even and really doesn't get much of the ball, normally looks a struggle to even get 20 touches in a game, doesn't handle a tag like most players, 23, 22, 27 his only over 20 games
I got caught up in the hype and got him, I know he has dropped off massively but really think the first 3 weeks were against easy teams and no tag
He will plummet over the next few week I think
Thing is, he doesn't need a ton of the ball to score well in SC. Thats why I have him in SC but not in AF or DT.
Gotta remember, he is only 19 years old haha.
Keep him unless you have had a great run with injuries and still have like 20+ trades lol
He won't get tagged that hard every week but he was always going to get more attention.
I got 99 problems but Bont isn't one.
Absolutely no intention of trading him. Fwd/ Mid who should get 80+ most weeks with occasional big score...happy to take occasional poor score as he'll end up my F6 behind Martin Gray Swan TMitchell and Goddard
126 142 82 100 113 83 42 so far.... think some people like to throw their toys out of the cot a bit early.
Quote from: Huttabito on May 28, 2015, 05:00:53 PM
I got 99 problems but Bont isn't one.
If u havin girl problems i feel bad for u son'
Is he a good trade in post byes lads? Im considering him for Clark as a value option in that price bracket.need a cheap F6 and don't really trust zorko, tex, lecras, motlop etc
Nah way better options everywhere in the FWD line.
Quote from: Grufflez on June 15, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
Nah way better options everywhere in the FWD line.
would require an extra trade prob brown to hamling..my next option is titch edwards
Quote from: HotTiges on June 15, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: Grufflez on June 15, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
Nah way better options everywhere in the FWD line.
would require an extra trade prob brown to hamling..my next option is titch edwards
Thinking about tmitch as well. Or Dahl?
Quote from: Thewizz71 on June 15, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: HotTiges on June 15, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: Grufflez on June 15, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
Nah way better options everywhere in the FWD line.
would require an extra trade prob brown to hamling..my next option is titch edwards
Thinking about tmitch as well. Or Dahl?
Got Dahl..not TMitch though
Quote from: HotTiges on June 15, 2015, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: Thewizz71 on June 15, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
Quote from: HotTiges on June 15, 2015, 06:07:18 PM
Quote from: Grufflez on June 15, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
Nah way better options everywhere in the FWD line.
would require an extra trade prob brown to hamling..my next option is titch edwards
Thinking about tmitch as well. Or Dahl?
Got Dahl..not TMitch though
My bad, meant titch-damn autocorrect >:(