No Mid Upgrades Required!

[Sundown24]

Comparing two teams I have put together:

TEAM NAME: A
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke, B. Ellis (T. Mohr, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, B. Gibbs, M. Barlow, D. Shiel, E. Kavanagh (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, Z. Smith (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, B. Smedts, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, A. Treloar)
CASH LEFT: $35,400

TEAM NAME: B
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke, B. Ellis (T. Mohr, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, B. Gibbs, M. Barlow, J. Caddy, D. Shiel (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, B. McEvoy (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, D. Martin, J. Brown, A. Christensen, B. Smedts, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, A. Treloar)
CASH LEFT: $14,900

Essentially:
A - Kavanagh, ZSmith, Pavlich & 35K
B - Caddy, McEvoy, Christensen & 15K

[Purple 77]

i think Josh Caddy is too expensive for what he is expected to do. I think he will score like a first year high draft pick does this year, so your looking at maybe 75-80. For this reason, i think it best to get elliot Kavanagh, or some other young gun like kavanagh who is about 100 k cheaper and you will get the same result.

I think you should go Kavanagh, McEvoy and Pavlich if possible. Or, from downgrading caddy, you could invest in that extra 100k in making perhaps barlow a more trustworthy premium. But I personally think Barlow is gonna have a big year, maybe averaging 95-100, so that 100k could go elsewhere.

As for the team (B i think is better, if you downgrade caddy to someone), Its strong in every line. Backline is full of mature age guys that i think are always better then debuting teenagers. Grimes is a risk but if injury free, he is a cheap premium.

Midfield, again is strong, Barlow a risk but i think will work.

Ruck is the same as mine, so can't fault it  ;D

Very good forward line, premiums and mid pricers run deep!

One of the best teams ive seen! Great job!

[Sundown24]

Thanks. I agree with all those comments. Team B seems to be my more preferred, especially having 2 lock-in rucks!

I have downgraded Caddy > Kavanagh, and upgraded Barlow > Pavlich. Too easy!

[Sundown24]

DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke, B. Ellis, L. Spurr (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Watson, B. Gibbs, M. Barlow (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, J. Giles (J. Jenkins, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, D. Martin, J. Brown, A. Christensen, A. Treloar, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, S. Rowe)
CASH LEFT: $6,200

Thinking: Premiums in backs and forwards are cheaper than mids (because mids are better), so why not just fill the mids and upgrade to the other lines only.

NOW, I know that the rookie mids could make me some money, and that I need to have a balanced team, but this is my other arguement:
Selwood & Rookie  vs  Rookie & Broughton
Its simply a lucky-dip as to the rookies, but the Premiums are more of a known quantity. Selwood would kill Broughton in this instance.

Any arguements for or against this idea???

[Colliwobblers]

the only argument is in balance, which means nothing to your dt score each week ( not really) the only thing is rooks are not as consistant as premiums so you are going to smash it in the mids each week with the risk of doing crap in the other lines. once again this doesn effect your overall weekly score much if at all one way or the other it is simply a "choice".

What i will say is that the simple facts are rooks are likely "statistically correct" to score highest as follows

mids/fwds/defs/rucks. and this is the argument a lot of peeps are using for the 1+3 ruck strategy.

So to rate your team i would say the following.

Great midfield LOL no shower....

Defence, great if nab cup proves grimes and lake are fit and looking good, if not defence needs some help.

Forwards, great, again if nab cup proves brown and christo are fit and looking the goods (they will imo)

rucks, risky 1 gun 3 rooks you have to accept you will lose points to opposition teams every week here in the ruck, BUT i think you will more than make it up in the mids.

Teams sucess depends a LOT on your midpriced def and fwd performing if they dont, look to 2013. If they do you will be in a VERY strong position in 2012.

good luck.

[Sundown24]

TEAM NAME: A
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke, B. Ellis (T. Mohr, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, B. Gibbs, M. Barlow, D. Shiel, E. Kavanagh (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, Z. Smith (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, B. Smedts, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, A. Treloar)
CASH LEFT: $35,400

TEAM NAME: B
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke, B. Ellis (T. Mohr, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, B. Gibbs, M. Barlow, J. Caddy, D. Shiel (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, B. McEvoy (J. Giles, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, D. Martin, J. Brown, A. Christensen, B. Smedts, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, A. Treloar)
CASH LEFT: $14,900

TEAM NAME: C
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke, B. Ellis, L. Spurr (B. Smedts, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, J. Selwood, J. Watson, B. Gibbs, M. Barlow (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, J. Giles (J. Jenkins, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, D. Martin, J. Brown, A. Christensen, A. Treloar, T. Walsh (D. Zorko, S. Rowe)
CASH LEFT: $6,200

TEAM NAME: D
DEF: B. Goddard, B. Deledio, H. Shaw, G. Broughton, J. Grimes, B. Lake, M. Clarke (B. Ellis, B. Wilkes)
MID: G. Ablett jnr, M. Boyd, B. Gibbs, K. Horsely, D. Shiel, E. Kavanagh (J. McDonald, T. Mitchell)
RUC: M. Leuenberger, J. Giles (S. Rowe, O. Stephenson)
FWD: L. Franklin, S. Johnson, M. Pavlich, D. Martin, J. Brown, A. Christensen, B. Smedts (D. Zorko, A. Treloar)
CASH LEFT: $11,800

A rough estimate on averages of players of difference, I'm set on all other players basically:

Broughton (100) + Mohr (70) + Barlow (100) + Shiel (80) + Kavanagh (70) + ZSmith (95) + Pavlich (115) + Walsh (65) = 695
Broughton (100) + Mohr (70) + Barlow (100) + Caddy (80) + Shiel (80) +McEvoy (105) + Christ-sen (90) + Walsh (65) = 690
Spurr (60) + Selwood (115) + Watson (110) + Barlow (100) + Jenkins (65) + Rowe (65) + Christ-sen (90) + Walsh (65) = 670
Shaw (110) + Broughton (100) + Horsely (80) +Shiel (80) + Kavanagh (70) +Rowe (65) + Pavlich (115) + Christ-sen (90) = 710

VOTE AND GIVE ANY ADVICE OR ARGUEMENTS!!!

[Sundown24]

These teams seem to include all the regular players that other teams are producing.
It also includes a 1+3 Rookie Ruck strategy or a 2 Prem 2 Rook Rucks.
It also has a team with 3 starting Mid Rooks or a stacked Mids with Premiums.

Please give your thoughts and keep this at the top of the list!

[Colliwobblers]

gees man thats a lot of work you have gone to to post all this up, so WE the community i feel owe you some constructive advice, I'll start it off i guess.

my vote is for team: B

what I think of team B....

DEF: solid and deep, obviously watch grimes and lake in nab cup to decide whether to keep or downgrade to rooks.
MID: perfect, love it nothing more to say
RUCK: solid great setup 2/2 safe and solid ++
FWD: grreat watch brown and christo in nabcup bla to make sure tehy are the goods but we already know they are so whatever its a great fwd line

great team, blooming splendid. forget the others this team rocks, watch caddy, grimes, lake, christo and brown in nabcup make changes if any look shakey but otherwise its beautiful.

good luck in 2012 with what is close to my side also :) close but still quite different...

[Ringo]

Can not add much more to what Colli has said.

Risky strategy that may play off.
Two concerns I have are with Grimes/Lake as Def 3 especially if one is not 100% on song. If going with this strategy my first upgrade would be to strengthen defence.
Other concern I see is that Selwood, Watson and Barlow all have the bye in Round 12 so you need to factor that in to avoid a donut in mid.

[Ringo]

Team B for me also

Only concern and have expressed in other posts not a fan of Gibbs in mids but plenty of options if you need to get rid of him.

Watch Lake and Grimes pre season as well as Conca, Suban and Grima to offer alternatives if one does not shape up.

[Speculator]

I also must go for team B and here are the reasons:

•   I am dead against what I regard as the highly dangerous 3 rookie ruck strategy so that rules out both C and D.
•   Caddy will probably outscore Kavanagh and have better job security
•   McEvoy over Zmith appears at this stage to be a stronger and safer selection
•   No doubt Pavlich will outscore Christenson however Christenson is a safe bet to raise his average considerably from last year and represents great value while Pav is fully priced.

What I DON’T like about both those teams is the reliance on 2 rookies on the ground in the forward line and also that both teams are devoid of DPP capability. The NAB will reveal more but anyway that’s my 2 cents worth.

Overall I think B is a strong team. The backline is identical to mine except I’m taking a punt on Paul Bower instead of Wilkes.

[Sundown24]

Thanks guys
I think I'm probably leaning towards B as well. I am obviously waiting for the Rookies in NAB cup, and injury clouds over Lake, Grimes, Caddy and maybe McEvoy I'm hearing!

My other idea is to downgrade Caddy to a cheap rookie (Kavanagh probably), then able to upgrade either Barlow to Pavlich or a Fwd Rookie to Porps.

Thoughts on these changes?

[Colliwobblers]

barlow is a must have i reckon, i'll be watching caddy too, im picking him to reach 80-90 average and ill do the slight upgrade to premium when he nears 400k, if he doesnt look 1005 come round 1 i'll turn him into a rook too, after all he is being picked as a high scoring cash cow not a keeper.

As for porps in the fwd line i say no then not enough cash cow rooks, but then if porps does what i want caddy to do your in front if he doesnt your a cash cow down and still use a trade to upgrade him. im not sold on porps, you may need caddy money to upgrade grimes or lake tho if they dont impress in nab cup.

Caddy had missed a lot of preseason which is scary but claims he will be ready for nabcup round 1 he will require careful consideration.

[Damoz Merry Men]

Your right, you don't need Mid Upgrades - YOU NEED DOWNGRADES, and spread it out!

I tried this in '09 - Didn't Work. =/

[Speculator]

Is there an injury cloud over Grimes? I hadn't heard that. Sounds like you really want Pav in your team but I wouldn't upgrade Barlow for him. I’d much rather target Pav as an upgrade for one of your forward line rookies. He is fully priced anyway so you may get him on the cheap if you wait a few weeks. If you want to create a DPP link to your mids, which I think you should,  then my advice would be to use Zorko as a mid rookie. I know this creates another headache such as which mid rookie to jettison but I think the advantages of having the link outweigh other considerations.